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Clarification: What I said was it's difficult to work certain things out, bc sometimes verses SEEM to teach things that disagree. I never said they actually disagreed. Not sure where "don't accept disharmony" is coming from.

Yeah, surely, all the scholars needn't study or work these issues out, as they do, bc it's 100% clear, and all the disagreements Christians have had throughout history have been for no reason. For now, I'm not interested in refuting the rest of these scriptures that interest you.

I don't see mutual exclusivity between my understanding of all the passages I've been citing and what 1 Jn 3:1-3 is saying--I seek to believe it all, not to make one of them state something that obviously doesn't comport with the rest. This can be difficult, because they CAN, at times, seem to...

Your abuse of John's writing has already been "refuted"... When He appears, those spiritually immature, children, who, led away by idols (1 Jn 5:21), are not remaining in Him, will draw back in shame (1 Jn 2:28) unto destruction (Heb 10:39), but those who remain in Him by obeying His commands...

1. Discussion is on 1 Co 10--instead of addressing the passage head on, you abuse another text, and tell me that your abuse of that other scripture is why you can't believe what is obviously being stated in the original text in dispute. It's absolute incoherence. 2. Already supplied answer to...

When you disagree, whether honestly or not, there is an opportunity to expose it for readers, so it's helpful.

If anyone is able and willing to discuss the topic, let us do so.

Well, to be clear, I don't say "so and so is entirely bad bc of xyz", I was recognizing a character flaw among virtues I believe you all have. I'm not thinking you all are rejected by God, and I don't reject you altogether, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize a flaw.

Yes, of course, as I already stated, I believe it!

I believe any honest reader will agree with what is obvious, which is what I'm pointing to--those who hold to a tradition however will have to deny what is obvious.

Yes, and not just you, but everyone who holds your view.

Show me how.

Well, it matters with respect to your "backhanded character assassination" claim. That's not me at all, just expressing my true opinion. I don't need anything extra (eg, character assassination) to prove my point, the truth stands on its own

My reply wasn't lacking.

Yeah, you do that a lot--take passages which, in context, mean the opposite of what, ripped out of context, you try to make mean something else--eg, from Heb 3, as we discussed a while back.

Yes, I believe you all are being dishonest with yourselves when you reject what is plainly stated, but I don't mean it with malice.

Oops, I said I did for those to whom it applies. Why did you misrepresent me? Does it concern you that you did that?

Nope, I proved salvation was just the beginning from 1 Co 10. What part of what I said from 1 Co 10 were you disputing?

No, I would have said "it's clear that it's true, and any reader will accept what I'm saying" but I realized there are those who hold fast to traditions, so they will reject what is plain.

When He appears, those spiritually immature, children, who, led away by idols (1 Jn 5:21), are not remaining in Him, will draw back in shame (1 Jn 2:28) unto destruction (Heb 10:39), but those who remain in Him by obeying His commands (1 Jn 3:23,24) will be conformed to His likeness.