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  1. OzSpen

    Does the Church still possess miraculous gifts today?

    KingJ, Why are you restricting to the 'sign' gifts of 1 Cor 12:7-11, especially in light of the fact that verse 7 states, 'To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good' (ESV). Then the emphasis in 1 Cor 12:12 is, 'For just as the body is one and has many members, so all...
  2. OzSpen

    Does the Church still possess miraculous gifts today?

    KingJ, This is not true. What does Rom 12:6-8 (ESV) teach? The 'gift' of teaching or shepherd-teacher is stated in the ministry gifts of Christ of Eph 4:11-14 (ESV): You need to go broader than 1 Corinthians to determine the breadth of the gifts given by the Trinitarian God. There is a gift...
  3. OzSpen

    Common ground

    WW, N T Wright has written one of the most detailed expositions on The Resurrection of the Son of God (Fortress Press 2003) that I have read. He takes a different approach to you. In an interview with Sam Hailes of eden.co.uk, Wright was asked (followed by his answer): Discussion on the...
  4. OzSpen

    Common ground

    Wormwood, I think you still have to clear away the debris of bodily vs metaphorical resurrections before we can get to what the resurrection of Jesus was and belief in its necessity for salvation to be obtained (I'm jumping ahead of myself). Kimberley Winston obtained a comment from Professor...
  5. OzSpen

    Does the Church still possess miraculous gifts today?

    Jun2u, Your knowledge of miracles in church history is exceptionally limited. I have refuted your argument in my article, St. Augustine: The leading Church Father who dared to change his mind about divine healing. Versions of my article have been published in the Pentecostal Evangel and...
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    Common ground

    Would this forum of 'Inter-faith Discussion' be the appropriate directory for a discussion on the bodily resurrection of Christ and the bodily resurrection of believers in the future? I'm thinking of a passage such as 1 Corinthians 15:12-23 (ESV): Where is the appropriate place for a thread...
  7. OzSpen

    Does the Church still possess miraculous gifts today?

    Well said, Wormwood. :) I would add that the gift of tongues is invalidated when there is no interpretation of tongues. However, the Scriptures are clear that the gift of tongues requires the accompanying gift of interpretation to be intelligible for the congregation. I Cor 14:5 (NIV) states...
  8. OzSpen

    Does the Church still possess miraculous gifts today?

    Cessationists! :rolleyes:
  9. OzSpen

    Can an Atheist be a United Church Minister?

    Angelina, She claims the church (presumably meaning the denomination) gave her the tools to help her reach this decision, 'It has created who I am. It has been a major force in my life. It has taught me what I know. It has given me the tools to explore. It has demanded that I do that and so...
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    Does the Church still possess miraculous gifts today?

    Don't try that one with Dr Wayne Grudem? I asked for some information to clarify what he had written in his Bible Doctrine book (an abridged version of his Systematic Theology). I received a note back from his assistant to say that Dr Grudem was too busy to interact on that information. Oz
  11. OzSpen

    Two Ways of thinking about OSAS

    Stan, In #136, this person stated, 'But I am happy and approve of you deciding to bother me no more. I asked this of you a while ago and you kept on pressing.... So thanks for not participating anymore'. That is NOT a REQUEST to cease all personal contact with the person. Let's get back to...
  12. OzSpen

    Two Ways of thinking about OSAS

    Stan, What does the rule state? ''If a member requests the cessation of all personal contact, then please respect that member's wish'. 'Requests' is the key factor, Stan. I have had no request from that person to cease ALL personal contact. Now you should understand what Iforrest meant when...
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    Two Ways of thinking about OSAS

    Stan, The Christianity Board Rules state, 'If a member requests the cessation of all personal contact, then please respect that member's wish'. It does not state that if someone asks me not to respond to their posts I have to comply. It states that if that person 'requests the cessation of all...
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    Scotland's religious demise

    Hammerstone, I'm not sure all is as bleak as you picture for the State Church in the UK. See, Conservative Evangelicals on the Rise in the Church of England. This article begins: I agree that the modernist and postmodernist, liberal churches have turned to extensive social service works where...
  15. OzSpen

    Christianity: "One flock with one Shepherd?

    Why do you think many 'hate' the church? What are the reasons these people give you?
  16. OzSpen

    Christianity: "One flock with one Shepherd?

    Newman, Welcome to the Board. I'm pleased you have joined us. May you enjoy the fellowship and challenges (sometimes) of being here. Matt 18:17 (ESV) is in the context of Matt 18:16 (ESV) that refers to brothers and sisters who 'sin against you'. Therefore, if a sin is not dealt with, it is to...
  17. OzSpen

    Two Ways of thinking about OSAS

    FHll, Exegeting an English Bible is not the best way to understand the Bible because the Bible in English is a translated language, based on Hebrew & Aramaic (OT) and Koine Greek (NT). Words in English sometimes do not convey what the Hebrew and Greek state. Therefore, a knowledge of the...
  18. OzSpen

    Two Ways of thinking about OSAS

    You did not answer my question. All you gave was a misunderstanding of what engagement with NT Greek involves with your statement, In fact, that confirms that you do not have an understanding of Greek and the nature of Greek exegesis. You do not seem to want to have a healthy conversation...
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    Two Ways of thinking about OSAS

    Do you understand Greek grammar and know how to exegete the Greek text of the NT?
  20. OzSpen

    Two Ways of thinking about OSAS

    Are you accusing me of being a deceiver?