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That's your straw man fallacy.

I have heard your kind of answers over and over through many years of my Christian life. It has nothing to do with not liking your answers. It has everything to do with your inability to stop using logical fallacies. When will you get it?

Over the last few weeks I have been having problems with back quoting a post. That post is automatically duplicated so it means I have to delete one of the duplicates and get that unnecessary editing smudge at the bottom of my post. Some malfunction seems to have been generated with the...

Richard, I find your comment somewhat confusing as well. After people become Christians and commit sins, do they need to confess those sins to God, repent and seek His forgiveness? Or is there no need to do this? Oz

Here you go again with another red herring. In this reply, you did not address what I wrote in #46, with the evidence I provided to demonstrate the context of Rom 9:14-16 deals with Israel, both before and after those verses. But justaname doesn't want to deal with this context for Rom 9:14-16...

In #42 you did not deal with the issue I had raised in #41 concerning Acts 2:23. But you were off an running with your own agenda from Rom 9. As for 1 Peter 1:1-2 and 1 Peter 1:20 you did not deal with them at all in #42. So you dished up to me a red herring fallacy. We cannot have a rational...

What were the specifics I addressed in #41? What were the specifics of your reply to me in #42? You avoided my specifics from #41. This happens over and over on this forum and you are not the only one who engages in the use of red herring logical fallacies. But you did it in #42. Oz

justaname, I find that to be terrible contextual exegesis. Read the verses that precede Rom 9:14-16, i.e. Rom 9:1-3, 4-5, 6-13 and you'll find that Rom 9:14-16 is not referring to Christians but to Israel. That is especially obvious in the verses you quoted, esp. Rom 9:15, 'For he says to...

justaname, I do not know what motivates you to do this. You did not address the issues I raised. I effectively wasted my time examining what I did in #41. You have dished up a red herring logical fallacy. We cannot have a logical discussion when you refuse to deal with the issues I raise. If...

justaname, 1 Peter 1:1-2 (ESV) states, How does this apply to Acts 2:23 (ESV), 'this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men'? If what you are saying is correct, there was no need for Acts 2:23 (ESV) to...

justaname, I most certainly did not miss a second definition of the noun, πρόγνωσις. The only things I left out were references to classical sources and sources in Josephus, the Apocrypha and the church fathers. I would not be so dishonest as to leave out a second definition. That second...

Mine is the view of: Arndt, W F & Gingrich, F W 1957. A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature. Chicago: The University of Chicago Press (limited edition licensed to Zondervan Publishing House). This is the 4th rev & enlarged edition and my reply is...

justaname, The answer to my question lies in the meaning of: ἐκλεκτος (1 Peter 1:1), AND πρόγνωσις (1 Peter 1:2) According to Bauer, Arndt & Gingrich (1957:710), πρόγνωσις means 'foreknowledge ... receive exact foreknowledge ... Of God's omniscient wisdom and intention ... according to the...

Please provide links to the posts to which you refer. You shouldn't expect anyone 'to read the posts' when you don't provide a link to the ones you want us to read.

This is another straw man argument. I do not support OSAS, but instead perseverance of the saints, and I do NOT support or push for works needed for salvation. If you are going to accuse people on this forum who do not support OSAS of believing in works salvation, then please quote them, along...

Sorry FH, That's my error. I should have given you the first two verses, I Peter 1:1-2 (ESV) which read: What do these two verses teach about the nature of election/predestination? Oz

FH, In my post I gave you this verse in support of predestination/election: 1 Peter 1:1 (ESV) What does this verse teach about predestination/election? Oz

Richard, You provide not one piece of evidence to support your claims for these 2 sentences. When you speak about 'those', you need to provide us with proof from 'those' people. Otherwise, what you stated here is out of your mind and as stated by lforrest, it's a strawman logical fallacy...

FH, I also believe in predestination/election according to 1 Peter 1:1 (ESV) but I do not believe in OSAS. Instead, I consider that the Bible teaches perseverance of the saints (John 3:36 ESV; John 5:24 ESV). Oz

Samael, From where did you obtain that information that makes you so certain of your position? Oz