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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    You have been programmed to believe a lie about God. God's wrath stems from His burning anger. (look up the word wrath) And the world will soon experience this. It is a fearful thing indeed. But Jesus didn't suffer God's wrath...but the anger and wrath of mankind...for being too perfect...too...
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    Are Your Beliefs Absolute Truths?

    No amount of beliefs are absolute truth. But we can abide in ultimate and absolute truth by abiding in Christ who IS the truth. Otherwise...we are stuck with human opinions and reasonings...and these are insufficient and quite possibly deceitful.
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Jesus suffered because people dumped their sins on Him. Jesus didn't come looking to take sins upon Himself. Jesus was without sin. And that's the problem for mankind. People judged Jesus as if He was just a man...and a false prophet. So He bore with the condemnation of people. So you are...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Opinion? The bible is clear that the wages of sin is death...not eternal torment.
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    That's not what atoning is for...and no one suffers in hell forever for a life lived in this flesh. God KILLS both the body and the soul in hell fire...reserved for the wicked. But many will be cast into outer darkness...some think that a fate worse than death. This is reserved for the...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Find it...you are interpreting me the way you are interpreting the bible...through an outside commentary. I always say the same things...and I don't use the word "saved" because of the indoctrinating effect that word has on people. So it must be someone else....or you have read other people's...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Do you think that the gospel is meant to prop up the carnal nature of men? All people have been atoned for. It's just that believers know about it...and are held to a higher standard for it. But believers cannot be sent into the fire to perish. Only the wicked are destroyed in that way. The...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    You're right. My bad on the baseball analogy! ;) But 100% wrong is still like not getting a hit. :)
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    There are 4 possible destinies for mankind according to Jesus....and the bible...from Genesis onward. The wicked will be cast into the fire and perish there.
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    God doesn't love the world system...but His creation. God is a Father to the fatherless...regardless of religious affiliation. But it is here that your understanding breaks down. Just admit that the bible is a book of confusion to you! Or do you think that God loves the world's systems...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    I don't like the idea of defending myself...but just to stand in the truth so as to speak from that place. The best defense of the truth will always be the practice of the truth.
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    I encourage you in your patient defense of the humble approach to the bible and it's teachings. Let all men be wrong but let God be honoured in the truth and never dishonoured by spreading lies about Him and His ways. :) Hosea 7:13 Woe unto them! for they have fled from me: destruction unto...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Jesus dying for the sins of the whole world gives God the initiative...ALWAYS. God can have mercy even on bad people. But religious people want to judge God and others. They want the initiative. Just as the Pharisees did in their time. But many will be saved on that day that had no idea who...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    The idea of mousar is with the purpose of learning. But you can't make people think!
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    You are batting 100 in falsehood. I am in the minority of modern believers who believes that in Christ is no sin. I don't believe we are imprisoned in Christ anymore than we are always to be imprisoned in sins. Salvation is by grace through faith...and we are free to move either way.
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Wrong thinking. The provision of salvation is for all men...but the resurrection is for they who are justified in His life. So you are confusing death with life. AND...you are trying to justify yourself as an individual...but you will be blind to that of course.
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    This is false. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. Are you going to change the bible..or just deny what it says? God judges. It isn't for you to apply the blood of Jesus to yourself or they whom you approve of. How dare you be so arrogant?
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Not by shielding them from God's wrath...but by rescuing them from the jaws of the wolf. Then you aren't understanding the argument. either Jesus died for the whole world OR just for believers. You can't have it both ways. The fact that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world means that...
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    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Only they who reject Him willfully are under wrath. There are other possibilities for mercy and kindness other than to cast everyone that doesn't believe yet into the fire. Perhaps you have read about the mercy of God? ;)
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    Matthew 7:13-14. Is This A Victory For Satan? So Many Are Going To Be Without God's Love FOREVER!

    If people could only see the difference between survival in salvation...and holiness. Jesus preached holiness. And not everyone can handle holiness...even among believers. It's just too far. But that doesn't mean they will die...it means they can't be the Bride of Christ. But the banquet will...