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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    When Jesus returns at the last trumpet, death will be swallowed up in victory and there will then be no more death, which will fulfill Isaiah 25:8.

    No, not at all. I rarely read the newspaper anymore, but that's another story. Why did you ask that question? Of course. You are very hard to follow. Are you saying you don't think Isaiah 25:8-9 is about the church and is instead about Israel even though Paul applies it to the church in 1...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    When Jesus returns at the last trumpet, death will be swallowed up in victory and there will then be no more death, which will fulfill Isaiah 25:8.

    I do use the KJV, but also the NKJV and NIV and occasionally other translations. In any given situation I use the one that I think gives the true meaning of the verses the most clearly. Unless I'm talking to someone who I know has a clear translation preference. I normally will quote their...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    I have not been clearly answered by you at all and certainly not in full. You know that someone just believes whatever they want to believe instead of what scripture teaches when they can't even answer simple questions. You can't even tell me what you think the disciples were asking Jesus when...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    Total nonsense. Jesus is going to return and renew heaven and earth by fire, resulting in the new heavens and new earth, just as Peter indicated in 2 Peter 3:10-13. There is nothing whatsoever to indicate that Peter was speaking figuratively in 2nd Peter 3, so I find your argument to be...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    When Jesus returns at the last trumpet, death will be swallowed up in victory and there will then be no more death, which will fulfill Isaiah 25:8.

    Thanks. It shows a direct connection between the timing of the verses where it is referenced (1 Corinthians 15:54 and Revelation 21:4), which is not something that is discussed much at all, so that's why I created this thread. I agree. It's a wonder to me why you are not an Amil when you agree...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    Okay, so you acknowledge that John 2:19-22 and Matthew 24:1-2 are records of two separate occasions/events. That's progress. Now, can you answer my question about what you think "these great buildings" represent that Jesus said would be destroyed with no stone left upon another? Mark 13:1 Then...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Overview time line chart of the 7 years

    On the earth if it happens in my lifetime. Otherwise, my body will be in a grave and my soul and spirit will be in heaven. No, I will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air just before that happens and so will you. He is preparing the place there and will bring it to us. Otherwise, there is...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Overview time line chart of the 7 years

    I missed nothing. Are you trying to play games? I guess I can say that you missed this part. Psalm 2:9 9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. And you missed this.. 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    You seem to ignore the "not only in this age" part and only look at the "age to come" part. He has all things under His feet now in this temporal age and He will also during the eternal age to come after He delivers His kingdom to God the Father (1 Cor 15:22-28). According to Jesus, the age to...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    Nonsense. There is no indication whatsoever that Peter is being symbolic in 2 Peter 3:10-12. Absolutely none. I disagree with your Premil belief and will never agree with it. Can you accept that or do you want to just keep this going indefinitely? I have no desire to do that.
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    Yes, I can. When He comes again that is when the end will come and He will deliver His kingdom to the Father at that time, not 1,000 years later. You are the one not accepting what the text clearly indicates. Hello? Paul said that. I'm just repeating what Paul said. Ephesians 1:19 and what is...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    I don't believe that the planet will be annihilated. I believe the entire surface will be burned up and renewed, resulting in the new earth. As for Genesis 9:8-17, what are you talking about? God's covenant was to never destroy the earth with a flood again, not that He would never destroy the...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    Is there something about me telling you that it's pointless to continue this discussion that you don't understand? I'm not going to agree with you about any of this. Ever. Just accept it. I've been studying these things for a long time and I'm not going to change my mind about it. I was a Premil...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    You're not getting the memo, buddy. I'm trying to politely agree to disagree with you and you're trying to keep the discussion going. I'm not interested. Your arguments are not even a tiny bit convincing to me. Just accept that. The souls of the dead in Christ have been reigning with Christ...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    I don't find your arguments to be convincing whatsoever. I have no interest in continuing this discussion because I know it will go nowhere.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    Nope. You're reading things into the text that aren't there. That is unacceptable. But, it's pointless to continue this discussion at this point. We'll have to agree to disagree.
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Daniel 7 - 10 horns....

    As rwb has been telling you, you have been influenced by some of the dispensationalist teaching about the 70 weeks. Daniel 9:24 says that 70 weeks were determined to accomplish six things. That means a 70 week (490 year) time period was determined when that prophecy would be fulfilled. Which...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    That was never promised. You are mistaken. You are not allowing the New Testament to show you the true fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies for you. You need to trust that the NT authors understood the fulfillment of OT prophecies better than any of us do. I don't buy any of this. Peter said...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    All things are under His feet now, but not all things that will ever exist have yet existed so not all things that will ever exist are yet under His feet. But, at any given time, all things that exist are under His feet. Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Overview time line chart of the 7 years

    No, He will not. He will be destroying the heathen with His rod of iron when He comes. Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts...