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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    I don't care that you disagree. Yes, He was at the physical temple at that time, but that was a completely different time and context than what is written in Matthew 24:1-2 (Mark 13:1-2, Luke 21:6-7), as I've already told you. He was talking about His death and resurrection in John 2:19-22. He...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    Not the same context at all. He would not refer to His body as "these buildings" that would be destroyed with no stone left upon another. When He said "See these great buildings?" He was not asking them if they saw His body. He was clearly referring to the temple buildings standing at that time...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Overview time line chart of the 7 years

    This circling of the earth theory that you made up makes no sense. Why would Jesus need to descend from heaven to resurrect the bodies of the dead in Christ to reunite their souls with their immortal bodies? He could do that from heaven. You're not addressing the reason why we would need to meet...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    I completely disagree. The phrase "tereo ek" (kept from) used in Revelation 3:10 is only used in one other verse in scripture. John 17:15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. In this verse the phrase "tereo ek" is not...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    It's talking about them being overcome physically by being physically persecuted and killed, not spiritually. Continue reading in Revelation 13 and you can see that the context of the beast making war with the saints is in relation to physical death. The second beast helps the first beast make...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    I didn't say He wasn't. But, it was a different day and time and context than what is recorded in Matthew 24:1-2 (Mark 13:1-2, Luke 21:6-7).
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    Right. Scripture never says He will appear a third time.
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    I'm sure you meant to refer to the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ here and not to the resurrection of Christ Himself, right? I know you believe, as I do, that the new heavens and new earth will be ushered in when Christ returns, which is when the dead in Christ will be resurrected.
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    No, it absolutely does not. There is no hint of that in the text whatsoever. In consideration of it in light of all of scripture, it means that Jesus will dissolve the heavens and the elements and burn up the earth when He comes again unexpectedly as a thief in the night. No scripture says...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Revelation 20:1-15 & the 1,000 years (aka Millennium) Bible Study

    Scripture never teaches a 3rd Advent of Christ. It teaches that He will descend from heaven in the same manner He ascended there, which was visibly and bodily (Acts 1:9-11). It says He will appear for the second time without sin unto salvation (Hebrews 9:28). It never teaches that He will also...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    He is claiming that Jesus first comes for the dead in Christ and gathers them to Himself and those believers who are alive at that time remain on the earth and he claims that Jesus some time later comes again for those who remained on the earth when the dead in Christ were previously caught up...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Overview time line chart of the 7 years

    Why wouldn't we just be caught up directly to heaven if that's where we were going to end up? What would be the point of first meeting Jesus in the air in that case? There would be no reason for that. You have Jesus descending from heaven and then going right back to heaven again for no reason.
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The only source of life and the fallacy of a 'dead' human spirit being 'quickened from death'

    Why do you not differentiate between the physical destruction of living unbelievers that will occur when Jesus returns and the casting of unbelievers into everlasting fire that will occur after dead unbelievers have been resurrected for judgment? The BODY needs oxygen. Not the soul and spirit...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Fake Pretrib claims re the early Church fathers

    We don't. Do you have anything of substance to share or not? If not, you should step aside and let the adults discuss the topic at hand. We don't believe that any believer will ever experience God's wrath. Do you have nothing to offer besides misrepresentations of our beliefs? Can you back up...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Fake Pretrib claims re the early Church fathers

    LOL. I can speak for you any time I want. Let us know if you ever decide that you want to address the OP instead of sharing your typical gibberish.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    LOL. I can't believe some of the nonsense I see on this forum. You deny that the seals occur in the order they are listed. Douggg tries to claim that the 7th trumpet sounds before the 5th trumpet. Some of you need to take a class in basic math and learn how to count. Revelation 6:1 Now I saw...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Fake Pretrib claims re the early Church fathers

    I'm not gaslighting. You did nothing to address the OP, so what else can I assume except that you are unable to do so? If you were able to address the arguments in the OP, you would have done so, but you didn't.
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The only source of life and the fallacy of a 'dead' human spirit being 'quickened from death'

    Revelation 14:9-11 makes it clear that humans also will experience eternal torment. Unsaved people will be cast into the same place that Satan and his angels are (Matthew 25:41, Rev 20:10,15). It's obviously a place where living beings experience eternal torment. If unsaved human beings don't...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    You are remembering correctly. We're under the new covenant now. The feasts were an old covenant thing.
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    It does not say "the alive that remained". You are twisting the text. It says those who are alive and remain until Jesus comes will be caught up together with the resurrected dead in Christ to meet the Lord in the air. That's one event involving both the resurrected dead in Christ and those who...