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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Fake Pretrib claims re the early Church fathers

    In other words, no, you can't address the OP.
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    Agree. They know that the scriptural text within the verses they are referencing does not support their claims, so that's why they don't show the text.
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    There will be some Christians still alive when Jesus comes. The text CLEARLY says that they will be caught up TOGETHER with the resurrected dead in Christ to meet the Lord in the air. That means the dead in Christ and those who are alive when Jesus comes are caught up to meet Him TOGETHER AT THE...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    You think it says that, but it's up for interpretation, as I showed. But, believe whatever you want about that. The events happen when they happen regardless.
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    This is just an absolutely, utterly ridiculous interpretation of the text that you have all to yourself. I guarantee that you can find NO ONE who agrees with your interpretation of that text. The text indicates that when Jesus descends from heaven, the dead in Christ will be resurrected and...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    LOL. Despite what I said, you still want to argue about it. Unbelievable. He could have opened the third seal long ago and then the vision of what would happen in the future in relation to the third seal was shown, but it was going to happen in the future and not at the time it wasn't opened...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    Right. And no verses say that He will also later appear a third time.
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Fake Pretrib claims re the early Church fathers

    No one is claiming that. Try addressing what is actually being said instead of whatever your strawman says.
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Fake Pretrib claims re the early Church fathers

    Amen, brother. If any Christian is not experiencing tribulation and persecution in their lives, then they are doing something wrong. Living a godly life and being bold for Christ WILL result in tribulation and persecution. 2 Timothy 3:12 Yes, and ALL who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Fake Pretrib claims re the early Church fathers

    I agree 100%. That's why pre-trib is not nearly as popular in other countries as it is in the U.S.
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Overview time line chart of the 7 years

    The souls of the dead in Christ. 1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. The souls of the dead in Christ will be with Jesus when He comes and they will unite with their resurrected, changed bodies and be...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    Good answer. That lines up with what Paul and Peter wrote about being prepared. 1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    He never does that. He thinks that just listing some chapters and verses without showing the text and making vague claims is enough to prove that his doctrine is true. He has never made a coherent argument using scripture to back up his claims and I don't believe he ever will.
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    You guys endlessly argue about this when it doesn't even matter when the seals are opened. That has no bearing on when the events relating to the seals occur. If the seals were already opened, that does not mean the events related to them already occurred. That would just mean the future events...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    You're welcome. What is your point here? Nowhere does the Bible teach that He will also later appear a third time.
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The only source of life and the fallacy of a 'dead' human spirit being 'quickened from death'

    I'm not part of any denomination, so you really need to stop wasting your time with your strawman arguments. Having no rest day or night does not just apply to a 24 hour time period. It's forever. That implies that they are conscious forever. Your arguments are not even slightly convincing. The...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    WHAT????? CHURCH FATHERS WERE PRETRIB ???

    No, but He was literally at the physical temple when He was speaking in Matthew 24:1-2. The context of John 2:19-22 is completely different from the context of Matthew 24:1-2. That is obvious. Yet, you still can't see it.
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    Jesus did not come in judgment in 70 AD and the elect were not gathered at that time, God the Father is the one who brought judgment in 70 AD. Matthew 22:1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said, 2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    Yes, they describe the one and only coming of Jesus. Why not? Scripture says He will come from heaven in the same manner that He ascended to heaven (bodily and visibly) and doesn't mention Him coming any other time (Acts 1:9-11). He will appear only "the second time without sin unto salvation"...