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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    It CAN mean that, so why are you being so dishonest here? The Greek word stoicheion can refer to material matter and the context of 2 Peter 3:10-12 is very clearly in relation to material things being burned up. So, why are you trying to change the context of the passage? Do you also deny that...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Luke 21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    This thread is about refuting Pretrib, not Premill. But, since you said what you did here, I'll address it. Isaiah 2:1-4 is a reference to things relating to "the last days" (see verse 2). According to scripture, the last days refer to the time period between the first and second coming of...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts the scriptures which teach that Jesus will destroy all unbelievers and burn up the earth when He comes again

    Yes, of course! I have many times showed the context of verses 10-13 by using the verses that precede it. For example, the context of 2 Peter 3:13 is in relation to the fulfillment of the promise of Christ's second coming because that is the promise that Peter refers to in both 2 Peter 3:4 and 2...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    How ironic for you to call him childish while you are acting childishly. Because the book is not about Jerusalem, Judaism and Judea! Hello? It's about Jesus Christ and His church along and the enemies of Jesus Christ and His church.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    But, there are writings by Josephus and others in much detail about what happened in 70 AD. But, nothing written about two dudes being resurrected and flying up towards heaven? Why not?
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    You seem to know a lot about poor responses, as evidenced by most (all?) of your posts. You should try to read it with an unbiased perspective and also think about the fact that there is no evidence whatsoever to indicate that Jesus came in 70 AD or that anyone was resurrected or gathered at...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    Do you just like to complain or what? I did indicate in the OP that not all Premils believe what I was talking about, so why can't you be satisfied with that? Regardless of that, how does it make any sense for Premils like you, who agree that the sheep who will inherit the kingdom prepared from...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    There is nothing about a future millennium in Genesis 1. You are just making things up to support your doctrine and that is unacceptable. Good grief. You are terribly twisting scripture here and taking it completely out of context. Did you even bother looking at the context of 2 Peter 3:8? 2...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    By fire, of course. 2 Thessalonians 1:7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    LOL. Revelation 20 is not a difficulty for Amill. Please don't try to talk for Amills. But, Matthew 25:31-46 occurs at Christ's second coming with His angels, as Jesus specifically said. You can't reconcile that with Premil. Of course we deny that. It's not taught anywhere in scripture.
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    You are twisting His words to fit your doctrine. Jesus did not come in 70 AD and there was no end to any age at that time. I know preterists like you refer to the age that you think ended in 70 AD as the old covenant age, but the old covenant was made obsolete by the death of Christ, not what...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

    Absolutely agree. It couldn't be more clear. That is taught over and over again in the New Testament. Some people here have apparently never read the New Testament. It's just sad to see. I think Judaism probably appeals to some of them more than Christianity does.
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

    That's total nonsense and contradicts the entire New Testament. Try reading the New Testament some time so that you can learn the truth.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    You know I'm an Amillennialist, right? Do you know what Amillennialists believe? After all unbelievers are destroyed, then the judgment will occur, as described in Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 20:11-15. Believers will inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Rapture ... soon?

    What is it about Jesus saying that no one knows the day or hour of His coming (Matt 24:36, Matt 25:13) and about Him coming unexpectedly as a thief in the night (Matt 24:42-44, Rev 16:15, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12) that you don't understand?
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Unlike Amillennialism, Premillennialism is based on assumptions and speculation rather than on any clear, straightforward scriptures

    No. You seem to be under the impression that you can convince me to agree with you about these things. No, that will never happen. I have studied end times doctrine for a long time and I reject futurism 100%. And preterism. Both systems are too extreme. In this case, Daniel is clearly about...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    You are just not getting the point. Revelation 19:17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the birds that fly in the midst of heaven, “Come and gather together for the [a]supper of the great God, 18 that you may eat the flesh of kings, the...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    Unlike Amillennialism, Premillennialism is based on assumptions and speculation rather than on any clear, straightforward scriptures

    Clearly, history. It's beyond clear that the first kingdom is the one King Nebuchadnezzar was reigning over at the time which was ancient Babylon and then other kingdoms followed the Babylonian empire in succession. As for my position, did you forget what this thread is about? It's about...