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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    Tell me what you didn't understand about what I said and I'll try to clarify it. Just look at Revelation 1:5-6 and then compare it to Revelation 20:6 and then tell me if you see any similarities. It's not surprising that we may not understand each other at times since you are a pre-trib...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    Honestly, it seems that way to me, too, but I would love it if you proved us wrong about that. I hope this means you will try to show how you think "the Chosen" (the elect) are different from the sheep and that you explain exactly who you think the Chosen are, who the sheep are and who the goats...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    I definitely do notice that. It's quite obvious. And it's nothing new. I've been dealing with that on forums like this for about 20 years so far and I know you've been dealing with it for even longer than that.
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    Yes, of course, but I also recognize that the elect and the sheep are the same because that is what scripture teaches. All who belong to Christ are His sheep (John 10:15-16) and are His elect (Romans 8:31-35), so there is no basis for differentiating between the elect and the sheep. We not...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    What? I explained Revelation 20:6 to you. Did you miss it? Read the post again. In order to explain how I interpret that passage which talks about the loosing of Satan, I need to explain how I understand his binding. Satan being bound has nothing to do with completely incapacitating Satan as...
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

    Agree. Are you talking about those who are in the church becoming more mature in the faith and growing towards sanctification before Jesus returns? If we're talking about the whole church right now then, yes, it would seem like we're nowhere near being at that point. But, I think what can...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    Yes, it most certainly is. What is the difference between the sheep and the elect when His sheep and the elect are described as referring to the same people in scripture? That's a false understanding of the passage. Nowhere does it say that the sheep are not identified when they are before His...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    Do you see the book of Revelation as a book that is full of clear, straightforward passages? A book that undeniably contains a lot of symbolism? If the Revelation 20 passage is so clear, then I assume you would have no trouble telling me who or what the beast is exactly and what its image is...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    What didn't you understand about what I said? Why should I have to agree with your understanding of Revelation 20, in terms of believing that it refers to a temporal rather than an eternal kingdom, in order to answer a question you ask about it? To be clear, I believe Revelation 20 talks about...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    His elect/chosen are the sheep. John 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    Since your question doesn't apply to how I understand things, I could not just answer "Yes" or "No". If you ask questions according to how I understand things, then I can answer "Yes" or "No". Otherwise, I have to explain how I see it, which differs from how you described it. I don't believe in...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    Yes, let's. With you so far. Just making a little joke there. Might as well agree while I can since it probably won't last... I'm not following you. It only talks about "all nations" being gathered before Him and it talks about them being separated into the sheep and the goats. Where are you...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

    Bro, it's shocking to me for any Christian to deny that Jesus fully established the new covenant and put it into effect by way of His shed blood almost 2,000 years ago. I can't even wrap my mind around that at all. That's a fundamental Christian concept that is being flat out denied. I don't get it.
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    Well, the kingdom described there is eternal and not temporal, but we will inherit it with immortal bodies in the future. It's not like they are different kingdoms. There's only one kingdom of God and Jesus currently reigns over it. He will deliver it to the Father at "the end" (end of the age)...
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    What? No, it only talks about two groups. The sheep and the goats who are separated to Christ's right hand and left hand. There is no third group. Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    Let's be clear here. I'm an Amillennialist, so I don't view the thousand years the way you do. I believe that the figurative thousand years began after Jesus was resurrected which is when scripture says He began to reign over all things in heaven and on earth (Matthew 28:18, Ephesians 1:19-23)...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Catholics: What does it mean to pray to Mary?

    Nowhere. So, obviously, that means Napoleon is still alive and KFC is awesome. Hebrews 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, Clearly, what this verse really means is that people other than Mary and Napoleon are destined to die once. That just wasn't...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    Premillennialism contradicts scripture (1 Corinthians 15:50-54) by having mortal flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom of God when Jesus returns.

    I'm aiming to show that they ARE the same kingdom, so I am NOT making a straw man argument, I am addressing what I believe to be a false understanding of Matthew 25:31-46 that Premills like you have. Are you saying that you think the kingdom referenced in Matthew 25:34 is not an eternal...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

    When someone says it was completely fulfilled they are not saying that it ended nearly 2,000 years ago. You're making a strawman argument there. They just mean it was completely established and put into effect by the blood of Christ so that from that point on salvation by way of the new covenant...