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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    The wine of God's wrath in the cup of His indignation

    You're not worth my time. I like to talk to people who don't run away with their tails between their legs while refusing to address the holes in their doctrine that are pointed out. You acknowledge that the new covenant was established by Christ long ago, but then ridiculously claim that it...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I don't see that your view is much different than full preterism as you apparently do not believe in a future glorious appearing of Jesus Christ. So, you're another lone wolf who has a doctrine all to yourself. There are several on this forum. You think God has revealed the truth only to you...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Exodus 29:12 Take some of the bull’s blood and put it on the horns of the altar with your finger, and pour out the rest of it at the base of the altar. In OT times most of the blood of the animal sacrifice was put at the base of the altar. The souls John saw being under the altar symbolically...
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The wine of God's wrath in the cup of His indignation

    But, you are too scared to address my points, so how can I take this seriously? If what you're saying is true, then prove it! Your words mean nothing if you can't back them up with scripture. Stop being afraid to address my points directly! The new covenant that takes away sins was put into...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You seem to have a doctrine all your own. How would you describe your overall beliefs? What label would you give it? Are you a full preterist? Do you know anyone who agrees with your end times doctrine?
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Before what resurrection? Christ's resurrection? Where are you getting that idea from? Where does it say the altar was the cross? You are trying to make scripture say what you want it to say. No, the souls John saw would be all of the dead in Christ, including the OT saints, who die up until...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    John 5:24-25 is spiritual and John 5:28-29 is referring to a bodily resurrection. Compare these passages which both speak of a current reality: John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Those verses I referenced are about the lake of fire which even hell/hades itself will be cast into (Rev 20:14). So, why is it a mystery to you as to what will happen to those who are resurrected to shame and everlasting contempt? It's not a secret.
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    My soul will go to heaven. John said he saw souls in heaven, not glorified bodies (Rev 6:9-11, Rev 20:4). Paul said to be home in the body is to be absent from the Lord and to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord (2 Cor 5:6-8). Do you agree with Paul?
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    Mystery Babylon is a CITY Per God's Word

    I said it represents the kingdom of God. Is that not a divine agency? Do you not think the natural branches being broken off because of unbelief relates to Jesus telling the unbelieving Israelites that the kingdom would be taken from them and given to a nation bearing the fruits thereof (Matthew...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The wine of God's wrath in the cup of His indignation

    I disagree. I believe it says that ungodliness is removed from Jacob while the Gentiles are coming in right up until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. We can see from Romans 11:26-27 that ungodliness being removed from Jacob equates to the people of Jacob having their sins taken away and...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    Mystery Babylon is a CITY Per God's Word

    Yes. The natural olive tree represents the kingdom of God. Jesus told the unbelieving Israelite chief priests and Pharisees that they would have the kingdom of God taken from them and "and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof" (Matthew 21:43-45). The natural branches that were...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Whatever that might be? Really? As if there isn't any other scripture which might tell us what happens to unbelievers who are raised from the dead? 2 Thess 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    And, according to Paul in 1 Cor 15:50-54, that will happen when the last trumpet sounds. We will ALL be changed to have immortal bodies at the same time at that point.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    That is obvious to any unbiased reader of those passages. John 5:24-25 says "the hour is coming, and now is" and John 5:28-29 only says "the hour is coming". Clearly, the two passages have different contexts with John 5:24-25 being Jesus talking about something that was already a reality when...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    Mystery Babylon is a CITY Per God's Word

    So, let me get this straight. When I see that the two witnesses are symbolically called "the two olive trees" and I see two olive trees (natural and wild) described in Romans 11, I'm being reckless by comparing Revelation 11 to Romans 11? Do I have that right? If we compare scripture with...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    Rapture is false doctrine.

    Yes, he told me before that he learned from Arnold Murray. I remember reading up on him years ago, but don't recall everything that he taught offhand. Yes. He told me as such before. I remember seeing maybe one or two of them on the old Bible forums that we used to post on, but hadn't seen...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The wine of God's wrath in the cup of His indignation

    I'm not saying otherwise. Allow me to explain my view of this. Israel was blinded in part in Paul's day, right? As Paul indicated here: Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    David, is Jesus's second coming a global event or a local event? Read Luke 21:33-36 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 in case you're not sure. It's clearly a global event, right? So, what does that tell you about which of those events we can compare Christ's second coming to in terms of the scale of it? We...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    I truly have no idea of what you're talking about. The body we have now will die, right? Unless Jesus comes first (1 Thess 4:14-17). You are saying we don't need a different body that won't die? Where do you come up with this stuff? When Paul says we will be changed at the last trumpet and that...