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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Translation: "Right, but I want to find something to disagree with you about instead of just letting us agree on something and leave it at that." Sorry, but I'm not going to repeat an argument I've had with you a few times already in this thread. Start a new thread if you want to talk about the...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    We have some babes in Christ here who are not at all ready for this kind of discussion. They don't even understand what lying is yet, let alone these things that we talk about on this forum. They are in way over their heads, but won't admit it. It's amazing how they think they are Bible scholars...
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    It seems never. We have tried to get him to talk to us like an adult for quite some time and nothing changes. LOL. Yes, that is a shame.
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    He addressed this in detail in 2 posts, and here you are lying and saying he is avoiding addressing it. You have serious issues and need help. Lying is a sin.
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    You can only guess as to what he is ever saying since he is completely unable to communicate coherently for whatever reason. Yet, he somehow thinks what he says is irrefutable.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Pretribs deny the obvious reference to the rapture in 2 Thessalonians 1:10 which references the day "when he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe". And they also deny what Paul obviously taught in 2 Thess 2:1-3 which is that the falling away and...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    No. Wrong. He had already taught about believers being caught up and gathered to the Lord, so there was no mystery about that once he wrote 1st Corinthians. The mystery, specifically, is that we will all be changed to have immortal bodies at the last trumpet. That is all Paul said about the...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    It's the Son of Man in the clouds (in the air) harvesting believers from the earth. If that doesn't remind you of 1 Thess 4:14-17, then I don't know what would. And LOL at you thinking I "agree with the "pre-trib" / "post trib" stance of the poster, the Light". Not even close. For you to think I...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Wrong. John indicated that 5 were already fallen at the time he wrote the book of Revelation. Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Edit: Adding a note at the beginning of this post for clarification, since it seems that a few people are not understanding the point I'm making in this thread. The point of this thread is not to try to say that 1st Corinthians 15:51-52 does not happen at generally the same time as the rapture...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    I agree. These kids are out of school right now for summer break, so their parents need to step up and pay attention to them.
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    It's truly unbelievable. He didn't address what I actually said at all. It's like what I said comes across to him in some different language than English. He discerns what people say about as well as he discerns what scripture says and that's not a compliment.
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    What does any of this have to do with what I said in the post you quoted (#1,225)? Do you agree with how rebuilder 454 interprets Matthew 25:1-13? Do you agree with him that the foolish virgins are saved Christians, but somehow not part of the bride of Christ? And that Jesus turns them away to...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Agree completely. Let me be frank here (as if I'm normally not...hehe). Anyone who can't recognize that 1 Thessalonians 4:14-5:3 is the same event as 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 is blinded by extreme doctrinal bias. Period.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    You didn't address his points whatsoever! Why not? Are you afraid to? He pointed out that when the rapture occurs, Jesus comes both WITH and FOR His saints. Can you please address that and stop avoiding it? Do you believe that the souls of the dead in Christ are in heaven now? If so, do you...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Why do you say things like this? What is the reason that you are so extremely immature? If you disagree with my doctrine, fine. So be it. But, to accuse me of not studying the scriptures? What a lie! You know that's not true. I have given detailed exegesis of scripture here many times. That...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Now THIS is how to exegete scripture. The pretribs could learn a lot from studying this. When it comes to a book like Revelation, you have to do your due diligence and thoroughly exegete it while looking at context if you want to have any hope of understanding it properly. And that is exactly...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Not only does he have no rebuttal, he doesn't even attempt one. That's very telling. Only starting to get old? :D I can confirm that to those of us watching your discussion with him, his avoidance of addressing your arguments doesn't look good at all.
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Show me the Greek that he supposedly changed on purpose. Tell me what it means in Greek and what he supposedly changed it to mean. He has already done that as have I. Do you forget everything people tell you? Revelation 14:14 I looked, and there before me was a white cloud, and seated on the...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    What did He say about what happened before the flood? People were eating and drinking and marrying and then the flood came and destroyed them all. Are you saying people stopped eating, drinking, marrying, etc. even before the flood? If not, what in the world are you saying? Vague comments like...