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    Flat Earth Theory

    Yes I agree with you on that. That’s the problem with most “evidence” we’re exposed to, it’s not first hand experience.
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    Flat Earth Theory

    "Water seeks its own level" — except it doesn't. It climbs up a paper towel. It curves at the rim of a glass. And twice a day the entire ocean rises and falls, 40 feet in some places, because the moon is pulling on it. So water doesn't just lie flat. It responds to whatever force is acting on...
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    Flat Earth Theory

    How do you know the earth is a level plane? All we can go on is what other people tell us, we can’t verify it for ourselves.
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    Flat Earth Theory

    I’m not a believer of flat earth or globe, I have no idea what it is. I’m open to seeing where God’s word proves it.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    In your opinion it hasn’t sounded. Surely you can see it’s not a literal trumpet.
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    Flat Earth Theory

    There is no rational discussion about flat earth. It’s a pointless argument that no one can prove one way or the other.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Do you think God’s going to allow you into heaven before you’re judged? Do you think people are going to hell without first being judged?
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    Saudi Nuke Deal

    Stable climate as in stop spraying the skies and engineering the weather.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I asked for verses supporting one specific claim: that those awakened to everlasting life ascended with Christ to heaven as living souls rather than being resurrected. You have given me 1 Corinthians 2 on spiritual discernment, Hebrews 12 on the heavenly assembly, Luke 17 on where the kingdom...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Matthew 21:43 — "the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof." You cannot take from a man what he never had. The Jews had it before Christ's death, which contradicts your claim that no man had access prior to His coming. And it breaks the...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    You are taking "the hour is coming, and now is" as one thing. It is two. "And now is" — present, already underway as he spoke. "The hour is coming" — future from the moment he said it, and we are not left guessing when that hour was. It was when Jesus speaks his words to those in the grave...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    "The hour that now is" refers to present conversion, you say. But the same word — "dead" — describes both groups, and the text never signals a change of sense. @ewq1938 recognized this as well and gave a sound, logically consistent argument for literal death. The text supports my view and his...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    At least that is a logical reason. Nice job! Not agreeing with you though sml.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    The question to RWB wasn't about the resurrection of everlasting life or the resurrection of everlasting shame. The question to RWB is why is the resurrection the dead in "now is" a different kind of resurrection than the ones in "the hour is coming". John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Do you have any bible verses to support - "Those awakened to everlasting life were spiritually awakened to ascend with Christ to heaven as living souls, not resurrected"? Are you basing this on what you think the "Last Trump" is?
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Where does John write that the thousand years began at the cross? I've never seen that verse or anything close to saying that.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I think you're saying this: "the hour is coming" - a future bodily resurrection. "now is" is a spiritual resurrection. If that is so, then why do think "the hour is coming" is anything other than when Christ went and preached unto the spirits in prison?
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    What’s you’re rationale for saying the two are different types of resurrections? I mean in those verses what changes the context?
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Why do you say Christ's resurrection like Christ was the only one to rise? There were thousands or maybe even millions that were raised with Christ.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I agree and that's why I say "thousand" represents God's ownership or God' people while they're here on earth. The cattle on a thousand hills are God's cattle (sheep, believers). The thousand year reign is "time" believers spend on this earth under the dominion of God's authority.