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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I'm not giving my interpretation of this, a seed works the way it works, it's biology and you can't interpret biology.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Could you explain what the dispensation of innocence is?
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    There's only one and it's called salvation by grace through faith. That covers from Adam to present time and will be true in the future. There are two religions in the whole world - "do" and "done". The law is "do" and grace is "done". The only true religion in the world is biblical...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Yes Paul uses a planted seed to illustrate the resurrection. Seed body → Human body Life in the seed → Soul/Spirit in the human body Death of the seed → Death of the human body Life transfers to the new plant → Life transfers to the new body Seed body returns to the earth → Human body returns...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Paul uses a seed as his way to explain how the resurrection works. The Resurrection Body 1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 1Co 15:37 And that which...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    When a seed is planted, the new plant is not the old seed “regenerated”. That old seed rots in the ground and remains in the ground forever and the new plant is a completely new creation. When your view of the resurrection lines up with that analogy, then you will have it right. Right now your...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    rwb, you say our mortal bodies will be "changed from mortal to immortal" — but that actually contradicts the very analogy Paul uses to explain how resurrection works. Paul says in v.37: "thou sowest not that body that shall be." The seed that goes into the ground is explicitly NOT the body that...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I’m always open to changing my view on anything if the evidence is good enough. I do know “thousand” represents Gods property or dominion of earthly things. Whether that’s the intended meaning in Rev 20, I’m pretty sure it is, but I’m open to any evidence that it’s not. I really don’t care...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    You are correct David but if you read that from a King James it is the “the firstfruits of them that SLEPT - past tense, they are no longer sleeping. 1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Read the Psalms, it’s full of David writing about Christ.
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    What old dispensation? A person or a people are either unsaved and under the law or saved and under grace.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    The first group was the Old Testament saints that rose with Christ. The next group are believers after the cross. The thousand years represents life on earth under the dominion (10) of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit - 10 x 10 x 10 = 1000. The cattle on a thousand hills are the...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    You can read as well I can and you see see just as well as I see that the resurrection happens during Jacob’s trouble which is a short period or with max time being 7 years. But more so than that, isn’t it obvious when Daniels people were delivered? It was the cross. Isn’t it obvious that many...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    1 Corinthians 15: 35-45
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I want to set the record straight. I’m a nothing. I’m sure I would be called a full preterist by most people’s definition because I believe the second coming was the resurrection of Christ and I believe Jesus will return in the future to each individual to take them to heaven when it’s time to...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I don’t know for sure but I strongly think they are the reason revelation says “but the rest of the dead lived not again….” I think they were the first group and anyone after them would be the second group. Just speculation right now though.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    I don’t know how to be any clearer rwb. Paul explains the resurrection using a seed. You’re version of the resurrection has the seed body that rots in the ground as being transformed into a new plant. Have you ever grown a garden or planted fruit trees or any other kind of seed? The seed you...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    They were what is called “the captivity” in the Old Testament and the Bible says “he led captivity captive”. I take that to mean the captivity went up with Jesus. But yeah it is a strange verse and only one New Testament account covers it.
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    Daniel is telling us that the resurrection will happen at a time when MANY of them that slept in the dust would awake <—- them rising was not the resurrection, them rising gave the clue to know when the resurrection would start. There’s only one other place in the Bible where many bodies of the...
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    MOTB by itself does not always = LOF ??

    When I say mesh, I mean the verses aren’t bent and twisted to it fit. Sort like putting a thousand piece puzzle together and putting all the puzzle pieces where they fit without using an exacto knife to make them fit. I do agree with what you’re saying.