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There is not biblical doctrine at demonstrable variance with past history. Because biblical doctrine gives us in written form the complete story of redemptive history without looking to outside sources to prove what is written. That's what the Preterit cannot seem to get a grasp of.

That's Okay, for at least you disagree nobly without any accusing or belittling. Btw, you're very welcome.

Luke 21:20 (KJV) And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. Why would Luke be speaking of the physical destruction in 70 AD since Matthew and Mark do not? One thing to notice in Luke is he speaks not of one army or the Roman Army, but...

Gentiles or those of the nations of the world in unbelief trample spiritual Jerusalem from above, heavenly Jerusalem. Spiritually speaking born again believers have entered into Jerusalem, we are "spirits of just men made perfect" when we have been born again. But as Paul below tells us "the...

No, that is not what I claim! What I perceive from Preterits is that THEY use past history to prove a doctrine because the doctrine they espouse cannot be found in Scripture but must be read INTO the Bible!

Like I've said before, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....it's a DUCK!

Okay, I think I understand. I too believe we are still living in the times of the Gentiles and will be until the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete when the last person to be saved has been born again. Then when the last/seventh trumpet begins to sound that time shall be no longer...

David, I'm really trying to understand the point you're making, but call me dense because I'm just not getting your point? Could you say it in another way? Sorry.

Greetings David, I hope your wife is feeling better. The reason is that some who are Amill as far as time (a thousand years) is concerned, are also Preterit when it comes to what shall become of apostate Israel. Since they have embraced the doctrine of Preterism (although in some cases...

You make a biblical case for discerning these things (Olivet Discourse) spiritually, I come from a little different point of view. I don't believe the words of Christ can be limited to any one age of time. I believe the words of Christ are applicable for people living in every...

Exactly! The Preterit consistently remains within the Old Covenant prophetic physical world without understanding that when Christ came, He ushered in the Spiritual Kingdom of God from heaven. Just as the physical things of Old Covenant Israel point to spiritual realities once the promised...

You left out one thing that you must also identify, the AOD that is mentioned first, is it spiritual or physical? Why does Christ tell us of the AOD "spoken of by Daniel the prophet"? Why does Mark & Matthew associate fleeing from Judaea to the mountains when understanding the AOD spoken of by...

I can't help it if you can't understand how the AOD spoken by the prophet Daniel is the key given by Christ.

What are you talking about? This is assumption without any biblical verification. Luke makes no mention of Daniel, so how can he provide the synoptic interpretation of Matthew and Mark as well as interpreting Daniel. It's hard to provide a general summary when you leave out that which was...

Thanks Matthias, this is happening in the church my son attends, and yes, he spoke to elders and pastor and no it didn't go anywhere. I have encouraged him to consider leaving, but since his wife is not on board with that, it may create a whole new problem for him. Seeing this particular...

It's not happening in the Church I attend, but the elders and pastor of this particular denomination is rationalizing prayer that asks God to kill our enemies. They believe the Bible grants justification for this type of praying, especially in the Psalms. But all of their rationalizing comes...

This defines my view also. Thank you! Do you believe this manner of elders praying in the congregation is a reason to consider departing from this particular Church?

What biblical justification, if any, is there for Christians to call down harm or that God might kill any man? Have you ever heard of one praying a prayer of imprecation (a spoken curse) by elders in the church while praying in the presence of the congregation? I've recently been hearing this...

Christ did tell them when! And He did not say forty years from now when the Roman Army would wage a great siege upon the city and temple. He answered them by saying, "ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth...

Matthew 24:15 (KJV) When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Mark 13:14 (KJV) But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where...