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CONTENDING THE SILENCE OF HEAVEN: A STUDY ON JOB. INTRODUCTION. Many identify with Job because they see themselves or others as victims, expressing their disappointment towards a silent God, for failing to step in to prevent their suffering, due to not understanding that Job's contention was...

Well we only have to look to Paul who said that he could do all things through Christ who strengthens him. That is the energies of God.

So I wonder why most Christians you ask will say that they fail. They have been told they have it already, yet repeatedly fail. This was my testimony till I learnt that something more was required, that is a much deeper submission to Him.

They never said they shared in God's essence - but in His energies.

The Early Church Teaching of Deification. Referring to Jules Gross’ seminal work: La divinization du chrétien d’après les pères grecs , the eminent modern scholar of historical theology, Jaroslav Pelikan says, “Yet salvation was not merely vivification, but deification. This doctrine for...

@Lizbeth There is nothing wrong with the term Theosis. No it is not in the Bible but neither is Trinity. The concept is sound though and just means the joining or union of man with Christ which is what we believe in. The Bible talks about partaking in the divine nature and this is just what it...

Having said that, l am assuming that teachers have reached that upper level of purity and maturity.

Ok tomorrow thanks.

@Johann no not one. God has made it this way as we are not to function as lone wolves. So He gives to each of us a part of the spiritual landscape. I don't mean basics. Even Paul did not know if all and said if it was his own tboughts. We also grow in our understanding over time.

We can find anything we want to in the early teachings. It requires great discernment but they are extremely helpful, the ones that is, that were faithful in carrying forward the spoken teachings of the apostles and their disciples. They spoke the same language for a start and understood the...

@Johann Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe: 1Thess 2:10

Paul is speaking here of what he knew was ahead - his martyrdom. The early church longed for this as the high calling. This is the perfection Paul speaks of. He goes on to say that those who are perfect - indeed it is true - should embrace this point of view. And if you think differently about...

@marks what do you understand about the warnings in Hebrews? Don't they make clear that here is a danger of falling away?

I am grateful @Johann brother, for the Bible teachers and exergesis I learned in my Reformed days. It has given me a very good grounding even though I think they were wrong in their interpretation of certain matters in TULIP. I was trained in how to go deeply into the scriptures although they...

It is very rare today that any reach Theosis. It is the only extraordinary experience that I consider valid for the believer.

They say the same as Paul though without sharing exactly what they discovered which is unutterable. The experience is the same for all who enter into His rest.

Sister not brother thanks. Various ecf wrote on the subject, and described how a man's senses are overwhelmed by the entrance to paradise so that he barely knows what is happening. Here is Chrysostom: https://biblehub.com/commentaries/chrysostom/2_corinthians/12.htm

I think he was saying that there were things concerning God's character that are so wonderful that they cannot be shared with the unenlightened rather than that they were 'unlawful'. Jesus said that there were things that He couldn't share because people were unable to bear them.

Yes this is what the early church taught. I had forgotten about that. The steps would sometimes blend in to each other and sometimes a reversal for some time. Thanks for that, it explains some things for me to. But there is mainly a progression according to how submitted we are to Christ. I see...

You've got a point. I don't know what to make of it all myself, but am very open to what the man said and what was seen on the vid of security shooting at the time Trump fell. I think it could be so.