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So much truth and so much condescending mockery to drown it out.:mad:

@Ferris Bueller I wonder why 7th-day Sabbath is noticeably separated from and prominently featured above the yearly feasts in the list of appointed feasts/festivals. Why wouldn't a weekly convocation be mentioned in such a list? Maybe it's to prove that the 4th commandment doesn't count. :p

None of this incidental stuff unseats the 7th day Sabbath as one of the ten, timeless commandments of God to mankind. Unless you want it to badly enough. :)

That's a clever trick, but I didn't say that reason and logic had no place in Biblical interpretation whatsoever (Isaiah 1:18). I said that the Bible wasn't a logic textbook. I was also trying to suggest that we shouldn't use logic to twist that which God has already made plain which...

Indeed they did no such thing because they would never overreach their authority and make the commandments of God of none effect with a man-made tradition. The Sabbath of the Lord was from the first week of earth's history. I don't think "the day of Saturn" goes back quite that far. Dozens of...

Do you really think that believers in the Old Testament were redeemed differently than we are? Maybe I misunderstood, but God says that the Sabbath is the sign between Himself and His people, that He is the Lorf that sanctifies them. You can take that any way you want, I guess.

I don't know much about the Messianic faith. I'm a Seventh-day Adventist. You're never gonna see any of that kind of junk coming from an official Adventist source. The large majority of Christian Sabbath-keepers in the world are Adventists. To me it's a straw man. I understand your concerns but...

Fair enough all right. :)

Got it.

Still conflating the ten commandments with statutes, ordinances, and judgments? Always easily dismissed, but never properly refuted. :D Not sure what two arguments you're referring to, tho. Right now, it seems like the main objection you have is quite singular. In fact, you've literally said as...

We're supposed to get 4-6 inches. That's nothing. I run studded snow-tires from November to April. They're magic!

Now, see, GE, I wanna -like- this post (because it's good stuff) but you can't seem to resist including insults. Why?

Demonstrative sign--not a symbol. Straw man ...unless God says it is. ...unless God says it does. The Bible is not a logic textbook. His ways are not our ways. Straw man The "appointed times" have nothing to do with the 7th day Sabbath. The Sabbath marks off a calendar week--not the time...

Agreed. This fact really should be conceded by any honest and scholarly Sabbath-keeper. Just my opinion. Rest. Gr. sabbatismos, “a resting [from previous activity],” “a cessation [from previous activity],” later “a Sabbathkeeping,” from the verb sabbatizos̄ , “to rest,” “to cease,” “to keep...

You're absolutely right, GE. Pretty much all of us do not accept, but reject (but not with disgust, I don't believe) the theory that Christ was resurrected on the Sabbath. The reason for that is that we believe the theories regarding the unorthodox chronology of the week of Christ's passion are...

But we don't avoid lusting after women in our hearts so that we can go ahead and rape them. And likewise, we don't avoid hating people without cause so we can go ahead and kill them. Furthermore, we can't expect to get away with refraining from spending too much time at our favorite hobby or...

Try telling that to the secular humanists. :D

I can't help but notice that you quote the 2nd commandment of Jesus but not the first and Great one. Do you think the passage in 1 John sets aside other commandments or sums them up so well that the others are all subordinate to loving our neighbors? Or perhaps that God is included as one of our...

Very, very interesting! :)

All genuine sanctification of the Spirit results in heartfelt obedience, as far as I know. It's actually commanded: Hebrews 10:25 KJV: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching...