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I drank some for 16 years. :)

And folks are always at the ready to suggest or imply that it couldn't possibly be them who might be human enough to fall victim to this common foible, so let me continue: "Let it never be said that I or those who agree with me could have been falsely indoctrinated. For I(we) have been...

HA! I quoted the wrong post! :oops:

You are absolutely right and your experience is both common and understandable. Most people don't have the courage to admit that their spiritual growth is not proceeding in a manner that is satisfactory to them. The truth is we should all feel that way to some degree. Otherwise, no hungering and...

He was probably the foremost evangelical scholar specializing in the case for annihilationism. His film biopic, Hell And Mr. Fudge, caused quite a stir about 10 years ago. Edward Fudge - Wikipedia Here's some interviews and lectures: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=edward+fudge...

Again, Choir. Did you see Post #896?

Believing what you read in the Bible... Now, is that any way to get to the truth about God?

This seems a little like feelings and opinions. Just sayin'. :)

Much love here, too!!!

There is support for it, just not as much as there is for the truth about the final disposition of sin and sinners.

I withdraw the remark. I was just making a vain attempt to derail a tangent.

Have you read E.L. Fudge's stuff?

Actually, I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the King James translators (at least) were biased in favor of it.

I bear some responsibility for that. Howbowchoo? :)

Is it really a zero-sum equation or could there be varying degrees of this understanding? And if so, couldn't it be that some understand it better than others? I mean, if you think there's nothing for us to talk about, why not just say so? :)

Nope. That's why I keep His holy Sabbath on the 7th day of the week. (As long as we're talking about using "how" and "why" to get out of the "what" being very insightful :p) What could I have said that would give you the impression that I would sit in judgment over God's sense of justice...

Wow! What a swerve! Nice soap box, too. Don't you think some of that sermon should be directed away from the choir? I mean, really, now.

What part of holiness is not morally excellent?150 years ago, holiness and moral excellence were practically synonymous. The Summer Of Love and the New Age did a thorough hatchet job on that association. Today holiness is contemptible and moral excellence subjective. :)

Rabbit hole

Church bashing... I forgot.