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So then WATER is the Spirit both times?? It seems to me that those that believe that WATER means SPIRIT are actually saying this: John 3:5 one must be born of spirit and the spirit...... Am I wrong? John 3:5 5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless * one is born of water and the...

I'm not intending for this thread to become argumentative. Just looking for explanations for differing interpretations. My belief is that it could be BAPTISM or PHYSICAL BIRTH. I've always had a difficult time with this verse, but it doesn't warrant a debate. The salvation of our soul is not at...

Hi Behold... I do tend to agree with this interpretation. Thanks for posting. Hope you're OK.

Hi H, OK A second work of the spirit was needed. But what was the first work of the spirit? Are you saying it's the word of God? You believe the word of God is the WATER in John 3:5?

Yes, I've heard of the "mistranslation" of John 15:2 to mean LIFT UP instead of TAKE AWAY. The actual word is SEVER....TO CUT OFF. I don't need to use Strong's because the verses,,,,ALL of the verses I post, speak for themselves.... no twisting required. Go back to Strong's and LIST ALL of the...

Who is twisting words K?? If a person is falling away from the faith, WHAT does it mean to YOU? If you fall away from something, it means you had something... and then you fell away from it. If faith is needed to be saved... and a person FALLS AWAY from the faith.... is he still saved? No...

@Kokyu page 2 of 2 Of course you don't have to go along with what I believe... but let's see what Paul taught...please notice that there will be no statement by me: 1 Timothy 4:1 1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to...

What I asked you is to please use scripture. THIS is how scripture is used: Genesis 1:1 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. I thank you for the consideration and for properly quoting scripture. Not confused at all. I believe Christians are to FOLLOW Jesus. Those that...

HI Taken.... Yes, I tend to agree with the physical. As to the rest, I concur absolutely 100%. Thanks for posting your thoughts on the future of mankind. What will be we cannot know. But the future looks too different to even contemplate at length... and when I do I come away unhappy. But the...

Hi Exegesis, Thanks for a very well thought-out post. I have heard that the water in John 3:5 is the word of God and I really like how you put the whole argument together. And, of course, I agree with much of what you've stated. I just, personally, have it cut down to either the physical birth...

Hi Big Boy, Been away a few days. I happened to quote the above to another member here...one of many who do not understand Paul very well, but I don't think he got the jist of what I was saying. No matter. Looks like we Christians can't seem to agree on some very important matters. Amen to...

I dislike that this would be the reason. I know some on here for many years and they most probably are obeying Christians. I don't understand why this OSAS is so important when all the writers are obviously teaching against it and giving warnings. Why have warnings for something that cannot happen?!

What does NOSAS type of thinking bring to? We know what type of thinking OSAS brings to....you've seen it, I'm sure, but you refuse to acknowledge it. It brings to statements like this: We obey if we want to. We can sin and still be saved. We can BLASPHEME God and still be saved. Nothing...

What lens? I just post scripture. The fig tree will be cut down IF it DOES NOT bear fruit. The branch will be CUT OFF if it does NOT bear fruit. Let's see: John 15:1-2 1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and...

This gets into a different topic and I'm not going there. But am considering....

You're going to have to post the scripture if we're going to have a serious conversation. I don't have the NT memorized so I don't know what Romans 6:1-11 states unless you post it. So, again, are you stating that once a person is saved, he can either choose to obey Jesus and do good works OR...

Yes. This has always made sense to me... but, as you can see, we don't all agree. Some believe water is the Holy Spirit... some believe water is the water of baptism. Thanks for your reply!

I listed the word of God in my OP as one of the choices. But as I read your post, it seems to me that you're saying that the water is the Holy Spirit and not the word of God. Although I do agree with what you've said about the word. It IS alive. Some believe the word WATER to be the literal word...

Ok. But what makes you believe your number one is correct? Where does it state what you posted above? Here: "JESUS stated CLEAR Fact #1 = no one can be Born-Again until they are first born into this age from a mother's water/womb"

I had child birth on the list of options for the meaning of John 3:5