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I ignore your charts. Like SJ says, i think it is pride to admire and promote your charts and criticize the rest of us for not doing the same.

How about actually addressing Scripture. Is that too much to ask you?

It is time to actually bring some Scripture to the table that actually proves your doctrine. That is of more interest.

It is possible to ignore videos, links and charts. I skip over them. I look for biblical arguments. I used to completely ignore your posts. I am now trying to engage with you to see if you have Scripture. At least give us some credit. I believe you hide behind your charts when you have no Bible...

Crowns simply represent power and authority. They can also represent honor or reward.

When do you guys go back to school?

You obviously have something to hide. So, I will keep asking. You are all over the place. You seem to be making it up as you go. Quote your evidence and then exegete. This referencing without explaining it seems to be a smokescreen to conceal.

Yea right! Where?

So, are you going to disclose how long you think the tribulation period is? Or are you so unsure of your doctrine that you are scared to bring it out into the light? Why do you quote Revelation 7 after Revelation 14 as if they are chronological to each other? Do you see what we see that your...

We're not saved by race, we are saved by grace alone.

Really? So, if the 24 Elders are not the Church, where is your rapture of the Church in the book of Revelation before Revelation 4 and 5? Where is the Church mentioned in Revelation 5? Where in 1 Thess 4 or any other catching away passage does it say that (1) we are caught up to the air...

You do not seem to get the spiritual import of such depictions in this apocalyptic book. You also do not seem to get the overall symbolic thrust of the book of Revelation. Christians (both on earth and in heaven) carry real and powerful spiritual authority since Christ defeated sin, death...

More avoidance! You're not doing your cause any help. Revelation is full of symbolism. I'm sorry that you do not get that. Crowns represent authority. We are kings and priests right now. Kings possess crowns.

More avoidance. Please address what I presented and quoted.

Where does it say the 144,000 are raptured? This is more adding unto Scripture. This sums up every tenet of Pretrib. You still haven't showed us your Pretrib Rapture in Revelation. That is probably because it is not there.

Impossible! Antichrist is actually destroyed at the coming of the Lord. This is the time when we are gathered together unto the Lord at the catching away. Let the Bible speak for itself! Stop imposing your error upon it. II Thessalonians 2:1-8 says, “Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming...

Once again, more avoidance! You prove my point. Where do the dead in Christ go when they die? Do you believe the redeemed today are kings and priests? Do you believe they carry spiritual authority?

So true. There is no recognition of that!

Op Note (continued) Noah went onto the boat six days before the judgment came? Another major argument that Pretribbers present is this: This is frankly how ridiculous it gets. There is absolutely no teaching of this in Scripture. This is just a wild theory that is thrown out there as a...

What happens to the dead in Christ when they die? They enter the presence of God upon death. Are you calling that a Pretrib rapture? Your reasoning is getting more confusing by the moment.