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LOL. You are a master at avoidance. You have obviously nothing to support your error. This sums up your theology. I will try again using your own words re the glorified. I totally understand why you will not answer because it exposes your whole theology. So, according to you, turning your back...

Exactly bro. These are two distinct resurrections!

Ok. So, you now accept that the first resurrection is Christ's resurrection 2000 years ago? We are in agreement. That means that the spiritual reign of the redeemed in Christ began 2000 years ago. The resurrection of mankind when Jesus comes is the physical resurrection. That cannot also be...

Do you disagree with Luther on corroboration?

Thanks so much!

Read what you are quoting before you post and that might help you. The catching away is different from the resurrection. That is a basic biblical truth. One needs to be physically dead to be physically resurrected. The living in Christ are "changed" and "caught up" when He comes - which is...

More avoidance. This is becoming a habit.

Not true. Why does it come to an end and the earth flee away at the end if there is no end to it? That does not make sense.

I just read Jeff's post and noticed you didn't even address any of his arguments or Scripture. This does not advance your argument or represent fair debate. There is so much avoided evidence above that forbids your position. What the first resurrection (of Christ) secured was a tremendous...

I have already addressed this in detail with you and you have already avoided it. I refer you back to several unaddressed posts that rebut your claims. The reader can judge for themselves who is addressing the counter-arguments and who is avoiding them.

Here you go again with your insults and false accusations. That is where Pretribbers always end up in debates because they have no Scripture. This is another sign that you have lost the debate. You keep mentioning Revelation 3, 4 and 5 as being the Pretrib rapture. Well, could you quote and...

Jesus came 2000 years ago. He is coming once more to judge the world in righteousness - judging the living and the dead. There is no such thing as a 7-year tribulation or a 3rd coming. That is an illusion you have been deceived with. You can keep avoiding the simple questions. But in doing so...

Who writes your script for you? This is delusional. How can they be dead when they are alive on earth and actively rebelling against God and the people of God? You have clearly swallowed a fairy tale.

What do you mean "a thought of disobedience"? That is ridiculous, and you know it. What book are you going by? This is a global uprising that results in the redeemed surrounding the righteous, and involves billions of wicked millennial inhabitants (as the sand of the sea). These millennial...

These are the first-fruits of God from the 1st century. They are reigning in heaven now. So, where is your imaginary Pretrib rapture in Revelation? You have ducked around this question for along enough. You know you do not have it. Where is your 7-years trib? Where is your 3rd coming?

So, according to you, turning your back on Jesus is not sin? Embracing Satan and becoming a follower of him is not sin? Mobilizing in Satan's army to destroy "the camp of the saints" is not sin? Show me one single Scripture that teaches that the glorified saints procreate in the age to come?

The Bible distinguishes between the first and second aspects of this great final glorification event. Unfortunately, for your doctrine, and for your argument, whatever way you word it, the living in Christ are not part of your first resurrection. What is more, it causes you to overlook the real...

You have a contradiction that you are avoiding: there are two parties in 1 Thessalonians 4. The "first" are "the dead in Christ" alone! The second are the 'live in Christ' alone! The word "first" is simply to show order between the dead in Christ and the live in Christ at the general...

Not so. The living are caught up, not resurrected. Your theology causes millions of living Christians to miss the blessing of overcoming the second death. Amil believes such comes through the one and only first resurrection - Jesus Christ.

Scripture proves that the first resurrection occurred 2000 years ago. Jesus is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5).