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This is a strawman argument because it intentionally misrepresents the argument of Amils in order to make it easier to discredit it. It involves a picture being presented that doesn’t accurately reflect the beliefs of the one you are debating. By exaggerating, distorting, or fabricating...

You have previously located the fulfilment of this event at the First Advent: Hello! I agree. You see what I see - that this the binding of Satan refers to the First Advent. In Luke 9:1 Jesus “called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils.” In Luke...

Irenaeus believed that Satan will be destroyed at the Second Advent! You have been careful to duck around this in your posts. Irenaeus lists the resurrection at the coming of Christ as the time when the curse is finally removed, incorruption is introduced and death and the devil are eliminated...

Of course, I do! I wonder why? Because there are multiple quotes that I have presented above that prove that Irenaeus believed Satan was bound at the First Advent. You duck around these as if they don't exist and transpire to your own theories without any ancient support. This is totally...

As much as you're trying to invent your own narrative, the facts forbid your conclusions. Lactantius did not source his beliefs in the writings of Irenaeus, he received them from the pagan Sibyl prophetesses. Here is the evidence: as the Sibyl testifies and says:-- "For then there shall be...

LOL. Hello! What else can we go on apart from the "remaining works of the Church Fathers"? That is such a ridiculous argument. It is also another glaring admission that the surviving works that history has left us totally negate your thesis. You need to take it up with the ancient Chiliasts why...

Again, you are the main Replacement Theology theologian here. As usual, you run to a slanted Premil site to get your information. This is your pattern. That is your MO. I have little confidence I will change your way of ascertaining facts. It explains why you are so misinformed on every issue we...

Then read up on Expansion Theology before you hurl false charges. And no, Amils do NOT "think the international Church has replaced Israel as the 'People of God'." We believe the NT Church was grafted into an already existing spiritual entity - the good olive tree, the flock of God, which...

I've just read through the actual online works of the early Church fathers gradually over the course of 14 years. I've read different books and different articles online that have caused me to do narrower searches for material I don't have.

Why can you not tell the truth? Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

Amils oppose Replacement Theology. They believe in Expansion Theology. It you that is the No. 1 promoter of it on these boards: You have previously admitted: “The NT did supersede the OT, yes.” "Yes, what Israel had, has now been passed on to many European and other nations." "So, the kingdom...

Satan destroyed at the Second Advent! Irenaeus lists the resurrection at the coming of Christ as the time when the curse is finally removed, incorruption is introduced and death and the devil are eliminated. This climactic portrayal fits consistently with the Chiliast vision of future state...

The Lord showed Himself under every aspect and truly to be the strong man, saying that one can in no other way "spoil the goods of a strong man, if he do not first bind the strong man himself, and then he will spoil his house." Now we were the vessels and the house of this [strong man] when we...

No it is not. Quite the opposite. I am the one taking each ECF at their word. I am quoting what they taught, not what I want them to teach. You are the one trying to impute all types of unmentioned beliefs to them that they did not express or believe. What is more, because of your severe lack of...

I have heard him say this before but he still doesn't grasp the basics of what Amils believe, so I take that with a pinch of salt. Because one was born in a stable doesn't make them a horse.

For info: i am not Preterist. I am an Idealist. But what I am arguing is held by most Amils.

Barnes' says: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. [There shall be great tribulation] The word "tribulation" means calamity or "suffering." Luke (Luke 21:24) has specified in what this tribulation would...

Not so. I am in good company. Matthew Henry says: Then shall be great tribulation; then when the measure of iniquity is full; then when the servants of God are sealed and secured, then come the troubles; nothing can be done against Sodom till Lot is entered into Zoar, and then look for fire...

Bro, it could honestly be 8 years on other boards. So i tend to agree.

I have never expected anyone to agree with me, just because i say so. I want people to consider the historic evidence, which (I believe) is plain and overwhelming. Go where the evidence goes. We cannot rewrite history. The ancient ECFs can speak for themselves. If there are holes in my...