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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    It is not just the redeemed that he believes are going to be glorified when Jesus comes, in keeping with Scripture, and in concert with Amils, he tells us repeatedly and in crystal clear terms that creation is finally delivered from corruption when Jesus appears. How could he say it any clearer...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    When they saw the Roman soldiers approaching. When ye see the desolaters approach, which are drawn as a result of the temple abominations, then flee. When ye see the desolaters coming to destroy the location of the abominations, flee.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    No. You did not critique the evidence. You avoided it, once again. It totally exposes your thesis. There is no way out of it. There is no other conclusion. And look how long it was until Premil arrived and where Lactantius actually sourced his position. Very telling! Very damning for Premil.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    1. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described sin existing on a future millennial earth? 2. Please quote any ECF in the first 210 years after the cross that described corruption existing on a future millennial earth? 3. Please quote any ECF in the first...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Once again, you totally sidestepped all the strong evidence presented, refusing to even acknowledge what was being quoted, and then proceeded to take us off on a tangent. Notwithstanding, you totally reinforced my overriding thesis here. The first orthodox ECFs to (indeed) advocate key elements...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    So, here is the pattern: strong evidence is presented that proves my case. That evidence is then totally ignored. What is presented in response is a lengthy dissertation of your opinion, which doesn't in any way negate the evidence. This is totally inadmissible. This pattern is wrong and proves...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    They do believe these very old covenant sin sacrifices will literally return. They are either efficacious or they are a circus.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    I have little interest in reading your posts. I have zero interest in searching for some obscure question in the midst of your speculations. Thanks for the conversation.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    What is your question? Your posts are as clear as mud.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Really? Romans 6:10 says, “he died unto sin once.” Hebrews 7:27 says of Christ and His final atonement, “Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.” Hebrews 9:26...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Not at all. Where in Zechariah 14 is a thousand years mentioned? Where in Zechariah 14 is the new earth mentioned? Where in Zechariah 14 are the glorified saints mentioned? Where in Zechariah 14 is Jesus shown to be on earth? Where in Zechariah 14 is the binding of Satan? Where in Zechariah 14...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    They have happened (and are fulfilled) in the old economy.
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    We cannot base anything on speculation and silence. Are you creating a new conspiracy theory? Not ‘Replacement Theology’ but ‘Expansion Theology’. As we have already established: it is you that promotes Replacement Theology by your replacement of ethnic Israel with the ethnic Gentile...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Can I remind you, that since the Old Testament times, Jesus Christ has come and fully abolished the old covenant Mosaic animal sacrifice system through His death?
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    Where does Revelation 20 or any other New Testament passage teach the reintroduction of the old covenant blood sacrifices for sin?
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    That is simply not true, and you know it. The early Chiliasts like Amils past and present saw Christ ushering a new perfect glorified state devoid of all corruption. That is what these patristic testimonies described. No where did they describe sin and sinners, deceit and deception, dying in...
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    The founding fathers of modern-day Premillennialism were heretics.

    You know this is not true. Most Premils i have engaged with believe in the full reinstitution of the redundant old covenant arrangement with its multiple additional sin offerings to atone for the sins of man in the future (Ezekiel 40:39, 42:13, 19, 21, 22, 25, 44:27, 29, 45:17, 19, 22, 23, 25...
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    The Pre-Trib Rapture

    In His response to the first question in Matthew 24:15-22, He spoke of the end of the 40 year probationary period (AD 70), saying, “When ye (the disciples) therefore shall see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, whoso readeth, let him...