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What if it was neither? Circumcision was a point of contention anyway when Paul said that the heart is to be circumcised and not the flesh. I'd have to say that it was a total welcoming of the gentiles and also new Jews that wanted to become "Christian".

Trent is quoted in the CCC when it suits the church. MUCH of Trent is discarded today. I know we don't agree on this and it would be interesting to go through it one day...but I have little time. Do you only go by the CCC for your catholic doctrine?

Great thread.... Let's say too that at the beginning of the church there were many heresies and different ideas floating around. The concepts of the church had to be kept in check and some authority was necessary to declare what was heretical and what was not. I'm not very familiar with all...

Yes...well, if one keeps doing the same thing and expects different results.... what can I say? You know the answer to that. I do find it interesting that catholics tend to speak more about their church than about God and/or Jesus. I'm talking about the laity here. I just think that if his...

Wow. This is a big bite! I like that you started with the Council of Nicea. The Council of Trent is very important.... and also the Council of Vatican II... And I should add that a lot from the Vat II has already changed... OR has never been put into practice. I do hope that @Philip James sees...

Yes. I see the big, bolded LIE word up there. Is this because I said I'd stop speaking to you the moment you called me a liar? LOL I've changed my mind. Because YOU are the one that needs to be exposed. YOU are the one that needs to go away because no one listens to you anyway. All you can do...

You know bb,,, he's really not worth the bother. You'd think he's the only person on earth that reads the bible or knows anything about the catholic church. It's rather sad TTYTT. Such a terrible example of catholicism. Do you think it comes from being told that it's the only TRUE RELIGION? I...

I'm not surprised at what the article states.... Kids are either going to be atheists (and some are by the age of 10/11) OR they want SUPPORT from their church. They want to be taught in a NON-SUPERFICIAL way.... They want answers to questions... They want liturgical celebrations that go beyond...

Oh. New Order...you're talking about the Novo Ordo.... Are you a very traditional catholic? I have friends like this. For instance, they dislike communion in the hand. Can't think of anything else right now... They still like going to Latin Masses and know Latin... stuff like this.

LOL In the 70's I was busy raising two children and can't really remember that decade too well... incl music and movies (really). I was catholic back then and attended Mass and my kids went to Catholic schools. I really can't remember too much. I wasn't very involved in church matters back...

The Douay Rheims! My goodness...how far back do you want to go? Jerome also wrote a bible from the Greek to the Latin... Too bad he didn't know Greek very well. But nowadays catholics DO NOT read the D.R. They read bibles like The Jerusalem Bible or the Good News Bible. (those that do).

As you must surely know, the people of that time were expecting Jesus to return imminently. When He didn't return by about the year 100, well past the destruction of Jerusalem in 70, some of what Jesus said had to become to be understood in a different way. I don't know what you mean by...

No. They LOVE him here... not quite the story with the current one. And, I never used the catechism books from the CEI. I brought Jesus to life for my kids. They learned the geography, history, and life of Jesus the Messiah. Sorry I had to leave. What was the disaster in Canada? I was in the...

I won't be meeting him unless I go to his church. He's not in the circle of priests I know. I used to have a stamp collection in NY. I left it with my son when I came here. No upside down flying planes,,,but they were beautiful and I liked them. I had a VERY BIG book chock full. Good...

PJ, I live in Italy. I'm telling you what is going on here. I'm telling you THEY ARE NOT being instructed. It's not necessarily that they WANT to serve... One does not learn by observation. And I'm not hard on the little ones. Do you see my avatar? What do you think it means?

1 Corinthians 15:51 We shall not all sleep is referring to a future event. When Jesus returns SOME WILL BE SLEEPING/DEAD Some will NOT be dead but they will be alive. At that moment we will be changed instantly.... first the dead and then those still living will meet in the air. Our mortal...

I was speaking about the altar boys I know where I live. I'm VERY HAPPY that you know church history and are familiar with Catholic doctrine. It's just that altar boys nowadays are not taught anything... You probably studied on your own...but it would depend also on your age... @amadeus was an...

Oh A....those were the good ole' days. Those days are gone. The Bishop down in the city (for this area) wants to do something new next year to attract the young people. I don't know what it is yet...depends on whether or not the priests I know are going to 'fess up. He's new so maybe they need...

I'm sorry, I'm really slow today and I'm not sure what you said up there.

I didn't say the church was built on Peter. I said Jesus gave the keys to Peter...the keys represent authority. Peter was an authority after Jesus died. He was the go to person. I also believe he was the first bishop of Rome.... James was the leader in Jerusalem.