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Says he who does not know his bible.

Wrong again. How it actually works, is how Jesus did it, and He never gave chapter and verse, and often paraphrased...as did all the prophets.

Those may have been abominations, they may have even caused desolation, but they are not responsible for all desolation. Those all pointed to the abomination against Christ...but that's all.

More name-calling. Arrogance, because I expect someone who calls themselves a Christian to know the times? That is not arrogance and explaining away the bible, that is simply explaining the bible...which apparently you need.

You keep missing the word of God in my posts, unless it has quotation marks and chapter and verse. That's not how it's done.

More inappropriate name-calling. Your M.O. when you don't have a leg to stand on. Go figure. And there you go again thinking as a man. Foreknowledge is just another learning crutch for those of ancient times in need of an elementary explanation. Paul began this explanation with such terms, but...

I did...just not with training wheels.

Okay...and what about the verses that say to press on to perfection and leave behind the elementary principles of Christ? Not convinced, not interested?

Predestination is simply God's provision for understanding that all that is, is written, but written in His context, not ours. Just as we do not fight against flesh and blood, but against powers on high, we do not actually exist within time, but within eternity. But if we take the rabbit trail...

Fair enough. But I wasn't intending to speak of you personally, but rather the position of so many who find it strange to turn from our own center to that of God's. But, then again, it was you who made faces...so, I didn't want to ignore you. :) But I digress...it was really just an opportunity...

What I have described is the contrast between viewing all things from a self-centered perspective, or viewing things as God views them. On a topic such as this, self-centered just doesn't work. If that seem strange or foreign, it is the measure of where you are with your thinking, and a sign...

You believe wrong of me. No filter.

If one looks only to what is written, that is what they will see. But only if we look also to the Author, will we see the correct context. If we read the works of any number of authors, there is a context within the story they have written, but a different context for the author in which it was...

All the manifest world - this world, and everything we can relate to...is contrived. Created. But what is written, and experiencing it all on a timeline, does not mean that it exists on a timeline...any more than any other story that is written. No, it is conceived and complete, then read and...

You have it all upside down and backwards. That is why I gave the example of asking directions. You are in no position to ask anything of anyone who has responded to your inquiry - not any inquiry, not from anyone, not for anything, and certainly not from God. That is what should be considered...

Then don't ask. But it is not arrogant to treat you like someone who is looking a gift horse in the mouth. It is arrogant to ask for evidence.

Why? When you ask for directions...do you ask for evidence when someone points you in the right direction? Don't ask. Take it or leave it. But it wasn't for you anyway.

For those who are reading on who would echo this same sentiments as those listed in the original post...the proposal here is completely backwards. It is God who responded in giving you life in the world, not the other way around. And if you responded to Him halfheartedly, that is your doing...

Of course I would not disagree that we establish the law. However, I would join Paul in now referring to such things as the crucifixion, resurrection, and the law, as past tense...just as the scriptures also clarify the timing of the crucifixion as "before the foundation of the world." As we...

Done.