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You are still trying to fit this all into your own terms...which is getting in the way of you fully understanding. I recommend you embrace the idea of renewing your mind. Nonetheless, the terms you have stated are clear enough and true: those early church fathers who made idols of the bread and...

You are speaking against the truth which Jesus Himself clarified, saying, "before Abraham was, I am." But you are toying over semantics. Jesus is synonymous with Emanuel, meaning "God with us." Certainly, you are not suggesting that God was not with us during the Old Testament period.

This one is a really fun one - but do stop me if I go over your head: Jeremiah 33:17 “For thus says the Lord: ‘David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel;" ...Obviously, you have never answered this question (below) that Jesus asked people like yourself during His...

Oh, how fun - you have given me enough error to be busy until the end of time. Not that I should bother, since you have no love for my spiritualizing for you, and your apparent disdain for God whom is spirit. But one thing at a time: Daniel 2:44 "And in the days of these kings the God of...

If you stand at the apex of God's plan for all of humanity and look one way, you will see the Last of those born under the law, and if you look the other way, you will see the First born of the spirit of God, both of whom are Christ. Do you see a contradiction there? Indeed, even in Christ. The...

You obviously have me mixed up with someone else, I say just the opposite, and I confront you. But I see you hate spiritualizing everything. Me, I love it! Go figure, God is spirit.

So said those who crucified Christ.

For which you will receive the wages and stripes of a false witness.

Indeed, we are getting somewhere, just not where you think. We have come to confirm just "As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one;"...not even the early church fathers, or the martyrs. Be they apostles, fathers, or martyrs, does not prove them correct in all things. Nonetheless...

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.

Ah...since you include/dis me, I will break the news to you: He did not mean that his posts actually make no sense - just not to you.

Cool down Mary. I have told you already.

You dancing around the truth with millions of fellows for millennia, does not mean I have been dancing around. It just looks that way from your perspective. As for my "forgive them for they know not what they do" explanation regarding "some" of those who have taught false doctrine - now you...

Oh, I see what you mean...but answering a matter of the Spirit with a physical explanation, does not address the problem. You could also say that everyone with a heartbeat is alive - which holds no spiritual truth, and neither does everyone with ears "hear what the Spirit says." But, on the...

An impassioned plea, yes. But the words speak for themselves. I have not added that they qualify the statement to be addressing the need to hear what the Spirit says - that is simply what it says. The very point is to hear the Spirit. That is my point also. As for salvation, Jesus did not say...

Good discussion points. But I must say, the above two comments do not agree. The first comment explains the process of receiving truth from the Holy Spirit. But your second comment wavers to suggest that the Holy Spirit is not enough. I would suggest that the two scriptures you quoted have you...

Although it is not the main focus of the discussion...should one not rant who has been abused for lifting up the Spirit among his own people?

Indeed, gentiles are like the eunuch, not able to produce, but able to hear and be saved. But he who has been given an ear to hear what the Spirit says to the churches, has been grafted in, able to bear fruit [of the spirit], not a child of the flesh or of the law, but of the Spirit only. These...

@Windmillcharge Your quote and comment are messed up so I couldn't reply with the quote feature...but you asked: "'where?'[/QUOTEfrom Christ, that this is His intended arrangement 'where?' ...Except your question doesn't make sense because, not only did I quote the scripture of Christ...

That's the problem with you - you don't understand that those prophecies were not about "earthly kingdoms."