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Well said! It mystifies me how anyone cannot see this...

Grace is a gift that is given as a means to attain to Christ. Even Paul said... Php_3:12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. People are following a far different...

I'm checking you out... So Paul was wrong to write to believers in a specific place??? The true church is indeed in the world...just not OF IT. You are probably meaning the RC concept of the church triumphant which goes to explain away the pathetic condition of the church visible. How does a...

For the record.... There is no such thing as a privetely owned eternal salvation. think about it... We may be able to own cars and houses in this life...men love to increase what they have...but in the kingdom it is what you lose that counts.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us...

When are you going to see that placing your own belief trust and confidence in Jesus then claiming salvation for your own belief trust and confidence IS to trust in your own abiblity to save yourself. What say does God have??? What proof that God even hears you? The actual acceptance of God is...

"We want the facts to fit the preconceptions. When they don't, it is easier to ignore the facts than to change the preconceptions." - Jassamyn West You are not believing the bible testimony but setting up your own righteousness. This accusation of depending on human works points back to you...

Is this thread in Cuba yet??? "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." - Hubert H. Humphrey

Yet these men were not regenerated in their spirits..even David! So what is the difference between an OT saint and a NT saint? This is crucial to understand if we are to see what the calling in Christ really is.

The attitude of a disciple of Christ would be to encourage the brother to remain in Christ. be filled with the Spirit and sin not. This is to be done even if you yourself are incapable of doing so. Are we not to esteem others higher than ourselves? But a carnal man cannot afford to do this from...

Amen! brother! Holiness is built on righteousness...like an upper floor is built on a ground floor. The allusion to an upper room speaks of the intimacy of the fellowship of Jesus and the brethren. It is very posible to hold the truth in unrighteousness.. Rom_1:18 For the wrath of God is...

Amen! good post.

The RC church literally killed off any church it saw as a competitor. The history of the world is not that the saints always triumph...but rather that the saints are overcome by persecution in this world. The RC church has keys all right...but these are jailer's keys to the cells of prisons...

Good post! Exploiting Jesus for a personal benefit and following Him as a slave of righteouness do seem to differ somewhat in application!!!

Aren't you here to downplay the subject of this thread through rhetoric....and not even get it when you are caught out in your own over seriousness and lack of cool?

Do they have a sense of humour where you come from? You gotta play it more cool :ph34r:

OK..here's the news...you cannot justify yourself and I cannot justify you either..but I'm sure you will find others here who you can exchange justifications with!

The difference is in the leadership and the direction. There was a unity and a reality to the early church that we no longer have. So we have the same problems...but without the solutions. Instead we continue to splinter into more denominations...every one doing what is right in their own eyes...

Are you asking Dragonfly to justify you? Are you asking her to accept the justification you claim for yourself? Please respond?

He was baptized by John! ;)