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I don’t know if you’ve seen it or not but some trinitarians try to persuade Muslims that the Trinity is taught in the Koran. I have a Muslim friend who discussed it with me. He said men who would do that have no regard for the truth, nor for their lives.

Perhaps another time, in another thread. I’m thinking about putting off reading Origen for a while. If not for conversations with trinitarians and having an interest in how the doctrine of the Trinity came about, I wouldn’t read him at all. He had issues. Serious, serious, serious, issues...

Outrageous. I’m not talking about him.

I would have said “He’s not” rather than “It’s not” but I get your point. The Trinity is not more than 3 persons. My point is that the Trinity, by the doctrine / teaching, will never be more than 3 persons. It’s not possible that He, the Trinity, can be more than 3 persons. Such a thing is not...

If all things are possible for the Trinity then it is possible for the Trinity to do what the doctrine of the Trinity says the Trinity cannot do. If all things are possible for the Trinity then it’s possible for the Trinity not to exist. If all things are possible for the Trinity then it’s...

It isn’t possible with the doctrine of the Trinity for the Trinity to ever be more or less than three persons.

Reminds me of an answer I didn’t get.

Does that make them your deity? Are you saying that it’s possible for your deity to be ten billion persons?

In Jewish monotheism, all things which are in keeping with God’s character are possible. Things which aren’t in keeping with his character aren’t possible. Is is possible that your deity could be (or could become) ten billion persons?

With very few exceptions, I don’t engage in conversations by pm. That comes from past experience where people have claimed things were said in pm’s that weren’t. For that reason, I confine my conversations on discussion forums to public view. If there is something you want to say to me that...

What does Jesus do? He keeps us within the sphere of the one God of Israel, his God. What does trinitarianism do? It attempts to position the Trinity - not the one God of Jesus - as the one God of Israel. Scripture - OT and NT - comes to us from the Jews (unitarians); not from the...

The reality of scripture. There is no God besides the Messiah’s God. Everything else is idols.

Scripture is neither pro-Trinity nor specifically anti-Trinity. Scripture is pro-one God of Israel and anti-idolatry.

Let go of your valor? Scripture says the opposite to believers. Be courageous.

Is the terminator of any particular religious persuasion? If so, then I probably am. If not, there’s no reason for me to be. Are you afraid of the terminator @Holy999? Are you the terminator?

“Walk on by” is the people’s choice. Does trinitarianism deny history? No. Do trinitarians deny history? Yes, by the score; but not all trinitarians. Can a person be a trinitarian in light of history? Surely. Trinitarianism is firmly grounded in history, though the average trinitarian has...

Origen is your man (“eternal generation”); not Tertullian.

Idols are unclean. Stay away from them.

By his God, the Supreme God, the God of the Jews, as described in the birth narratives.

Including but not limited to partaking in and perpetuating the fraud of false theologies.