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  1. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Both the Hebrew Bible (the Old Testament) and the New Testament spend a considerable amount of time and effort discussing it. That in itself causes me to think that it really matters. That’s how I think of it. That’s how I portray it in sermons, lessons, and funerals. I mentioned earlier...
  2. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Sometimes, baptism just makes people wet. Baptism and the Catholic Church makes a Christian. That’s been your message to me.
  3. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    A pastor (a unitarian, if it matters) told me about a woman in the Church who died and was buried in her pajamas. [As I recall now, after a few minutes of thought, the word that he used was “night gown”.] She told him that she wanted to give a witness of her faith, our faith, in the resurrection...
  4. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    A person is a soul. A person who is alive is a living soul. A person who is not alive is a dead soul. Eight souls (eight persons) were saved alive in the flood which occurred in Noah’s day. All of the other souls perished. The living are alive; the dead are dead. The dead will live again. The...
  5. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Why would a bodiless spirit need to have a resurrected body to live on the earth for 1,000 years? If a bodiless spirit could live in heaven, a bodiless spirit could surely live anywhere.
  6. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    That’s when we will be present with the Lord. He wakes them up (resurrection), they meet him in the air and accompany him on his way to the earth. The dead - those who are asleep - are now in the grave. Resurrection. What would a spirit need with a resurrected body, if a bodiless spirit...
  7. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    I’ve previously commented on all of these. That’s imprecise. He said absent from the body and present with the Lord. To be absent from the body is to be dead. Paul didn’t desire to be “unclothed” - that is, without his body; dead. Paul also tells us exactly when the dead in Messiah will be...
  8. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Fiction, if literal. The dead are dead; immobilized. The dead aren’t walking around. Resurrection restores life to the lifeless.
  9. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Resurrection.
  10. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Amen. God on a suicide mission is one of the most absurd things I can imagine. Number of trinitarians on that forum who publicly rejected it? 0, that I recall.
  11. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    The dead are not alive, except in horror movies / television programs and some theologies.
  12. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    You’re the Medical Examiner. Do you rule it a suicide? God committed suicide Not if I’m the Medical Examiner assigned to the case. Can I tie it to you?
  13. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    My favorite college class was a course on conditional immortality in Church history. The professor was a trinitarian but he believed in conditional immortality. Just as the development of the doctrine of the Trinity can be tracked in Church history, so too can the doctrine of the immortal soul...
  14. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    At the very least, it marked the event of the crucifixion as something out of the ordinary. This wasn’t just another criminal being put to death. It was a witness. When people think of resurrection, all too often they think only of Jesus. Everyone will be resurrected. Some to the life of the...
  15. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    But only if you’re a Roman Catholic, right?
  16. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    On another forum a (quasi trinitarian*) member insisted that God was on a suicide mission. How does that set with you? * The member, who self-identified as trinitarian, believed that the Father and the Son are both God but said no one knows if the Holy Spirit is or not. His position was that...
  17. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    I don’t believe he did so while he was “dead and buried. As dead as you can be.” I believe he did so after he was made alive - resurrected from the dead - by the Spirit.
  18. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    In my opinion, that makes God more evil than the devil.
  19. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    It is a good book. I’m an annihilationist. As you seem to be aware, it’s not a trinitarian vs. non-trinitarian issue. The God of love and mercy showing no love, no mercy, to his is enemies is out of character. Such a being isn’t the one God. Destroying the incorrigibly wicked, extinguishing...
  20. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Yes. The God of mercy has no mercy?