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  1. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    “It is impossible to document what we now call orthodoxy in the first two centuries of Christianity; heresy often appears more prominently, so much so that orthodoxy looks like a reaction to it. But we can document orthodoxy for all the centuries since then - in other words, for close to...
  2. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Tertullian: “Hold my beer.”
  3. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Tertullian the trinitarian? “Because God is in like manner a Father, and He is also a Judge; but He has not always been Father and Judge, merely on the ground of His having always been God. For He could not have been the Father previous to the Son, nor a Judge previous to sin. There was...
  4. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    You identified a major difference between the two of us. It’s a Christological issue. He was not “begotten” at his human birth, but has been by his Father’s side since his creation. What you and I have in common is the belief that the Father alone is the one true God. May it always be so! We...
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    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    It brought me out of trinitarianism. As I said, results vary from person to person. It’s a matter of conscience. My conscience is clear and I imagine yours is too.
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    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    It doesn’t matter as much to them as it did in days past. A large and growing percentage say that it’s not a salvation issue. We’re a long way from the anathema of the Athanasian Creed. They still believe it’s true but it’s become an academic issue. For all practical purposes, it doesn’t...
  7. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    I often ask trinitarians what they would believe if they could read the Bible with no foreknowledge of the Trinity. That’s the way scripture was written. That’s the way scripture was read for centuries. Results vary and are fascinating. It’s a difficult exercise to pull off. Trinitarians...
  8. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    We don’t get the God-man from scripture. We get the God-man from Origen.
  9. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Jesus is a man, but he’s no God-man. He’s more remarkable than that.
  10. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    My spirit speaks. I think your spirit speaks. I think everyone’s spirit speaks. You say your spirit doesn’t speak independently and never speaks. We’re at an impasse on the matter. There’s nothing wrong with that. That’s just where we are currently.
  11. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    One of my grandmothers had a saying: “Mind your spirit.” (I think the first time, or very early on, I heard her say it, it was either “Mind your spirit, boy.” or “Mind your spirit, child.”)
  12. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Your words are still spirit; your spirit. They are an outward expression of your mind. They have power.
  13. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    “The words I speak to you are spirit …” (John 6:63)
  14. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Mine does. Not independently = never?
  15. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    So says God’s spirit. What says your spirit? Is your spirit sometimes grieved? If so, what does your spirit say?
  16. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Neither does God’s spirit speak independently of God. Isn’t your own spirit sometimes grieved?
  17. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Doesn’t your own spirit speak?
  18. Matthias

    Most monumental moment in salvation history?

    I understand. It’s important to me and for me to tell my story. After all, you’ve said that I’m not a Christian. You can say that and believe that but I won’t leave it unchallenged. I don’t want to leave the reader with the false impression that I agree with your assessment of me.
  19. Matthias

    What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

    Answers to the question vary. My answer (Jewish monotheism) is incompatible with the answers given by trinitarians, binitarians and the majority of unitarians. Jesus existed before Abraham but Jesus isn’t older than Abraham; Jesus is younger than Abraham. Jesus wasn’t telling his ex-followers...
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    GOD’S Fire Cannot Be Quenched! = Isaiah 66;24, Luke 3;16-17

    It is the fire that cannot be put out. It is the fire that consumes. It will burn for as long as there is fuel for the fire. When there is nothing left to burn, and only when there is nothing left to burn, it will go out.