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This might just be what's causing your confusion. Just because it gets repeatedly trumpeted from behind a pulpit doesn't make it true. Study your Bible.

The question remains: Does John say who they were and how they got there? If He predicted that Peter would die when he was old in age, then how could there be an imminent return prior to Peter's death? He was alive when Paul wrote his letters to the Thessalonians, so if Paul was teaching an...

Again, your point assumes your conclusion. It's entirely possible that He didn't mention it because... there was nothing for Him to mention. For your argument to be valid, you would have to assume that your doctrine is correct. So, according to you, was Jesus a false prophet? 2 Thessalonians...

The same can be said for eisegesis. Are they martyred or raptured? So you believe that Jesus, despite all the prophecy He gave, didn't know about the rapture? I honestly didn't think you'd go that far... It's interesting how you insist that the apostasia and the restrainer being "taken out of...

Does the Bible identify the multitude as being the church? They were raptured there? Where does John say how they got there? Does the Bible say that only Paul knew about it? Do you believe that Jesus knew about it? Where in scripture does apostasia mean a physical departure? Since the...

If you want to sway someone over to your side, try coming up with biblical evidence that supports your doctrine that doesn't first require that person to believe your conclusion in order to accept said evidence. As long as your arguments are based in eisegesis, you're not going to get anywhere.

Taking the mark would mean renouncing your faith, no? Refusing the mark will certainly result in death as the Bible says, but I do fully believe that believers will be tested and we ought to be prepared to stand firm regardless. I was using a rather extreme example to make that point.

You know good and well that it's the pretrib folks who de-emphasize readiness and preparation. Imagine a day in where believers are taken to prisons and forced at gunpoint to renounce their faith. However, the guns aren't pointed at the believers themselves, but at their loved ones, and every...

So, your dispensationalist doctrine is correct because dispensationalism says so? That's a nice bit of circular reasoning you've got there. It's not rearranging when the book wasn't in order to begin with.

Find the other usage of apostasia. I thought that wasn't enough to establish a law of meanings. Remember when you said that it's Daniel's 70 weeks and not Paul's 70 weeks? Where does DANIEL mention such a removal? Your basis for claiming the events happen twice is because they are mentioned...

The bottom line is that we are commanded to overcome, persevere, and endure... to the end. We must bring that extra oil with us. Why would an enemy encourage this? The reason you think it doesn't fit is because there is false doctrine obstructing your vision. There are quite a few variances in...

Keep in mind that most of the people arguing with you were pretribbers at one point. Many of us once did recognize it as truth simply because it was the only thing we'd ever been taught. It was only later that we learned that what we had been taught was not biblical.

Take a look in the mirror. I had a response for your post, but after having prayed about it for some time, I've realized that it's pointless. Pardon the pun, but it's senseless to shine light into the eyes of the blind. For those who do want to find the truth, compare Paul's words in 2...

Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come...

So the translators are correct when they support your view and they are incorrect when they don't? Does the Greek text imply removal or not? Significant apostasia? The word only appears twice. Your entire interpretation of this passage is with the assumption that there is a pretribulation...

The phrase "taken out" in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 is also an invention of the translators. The specific Greek word used there occurs 45 other times and not once does it ever imply removal. Neither does the root word and it occurs over 670 times. I don't have time to make a full, well-thought reply...

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Why did you leave that part out? Revelation 6:12-13 I looked when He opened the sixth...

The events of the sixth seal are described in Matthew 24, preceded by the words, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days". Fit the context of the passage? Paul was reiterating to the Thessalonians what Jesus told his disciples on the Mount of Olives. Going back to the Olivet Discourse...

The word in question is "apostasia" and is found twice in the New Testament. The other instance is Acts 21:21 and there's no question what the word means. Neither passage has anything to do with a pre-tribulation rapture. The great day of wrath occurs after the tribulation, but I'm sure you...

Who got left and who got taken? Interesting how you left that part out. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when...