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Rocky, I would agree with you that Jesus completed what he came to do. But I would disagree with you that he has no reason to return to Israel. There are promises to Israel that still need to be fulfilled. As just a few examples, his foot must touch the mount of Olives, which causes it to...

I will agree that this is how things will start out, but I do not agree that it will stay this way for a thousand years. The main reason that it will start out this way is because when the Millennium starts, the only people on the earth will be believers. The horror of Sin will be fresh in...

Trekson, I definitely believe that the pretrib doctrine has as it's foundation, Dispensationalism, in particular Covenantal Dispensationalism, which I believe. So if you think that you can disprove Covenantal Dispensationalism through scripture, then by all means, I'm listening. I did want...

Terry, Let me say brother, that I feel neither dismay at you, and nor do I think that you are nuts. And while I do think that you are wrong, keep in mind that comes from a person who is completely aware that he is fallible, and could be wrong in what he believes. Therefore, unless there is a...

I believe all of the scripture is true, but I do not believe all of the scriptures apply to me. Some of the scriptures applied to Israel from the Old Testament, but no longer apply to me today. This is why I can eat a helping of bacon and eggs in the morning, even though the bible in the Old...

Enoch, Actually, if you read Rom 11 carefully, you will find out that both Israel ( the natural branches ) and the church ( the wild branches ) are grafted into the same vine ( Jesus ). The wild branches do not become natural, and the natural branches do not become wild. In other word, Israel...

Please don't get me wrong, I believe that there is not a single denomination that teaches the whole truth. And if you are relying on your preacher, sunday school teacher, or small group leader to teach you what is in the bible, then you are trusting man with your beliefs and not God. You...

No, I do not consider the 2 witnesses to be part of the church. I personally believe that the two witnesses with either be Moses and Elijah, or two Jewish men that have not been revealed yet. But I am leaning strongly toward Moses and Elijah. But either way, they would be part of True Israel...

Trekson, Well, I believe it to be typical pre-trib interpretation, instead of misunderstanding. Just as you have your pre-wrath interpretation and other have a Post trib interpretation. I know the pre-wrath doctrine very well, as I have studied it extensively, as well as the...

Afaithfulone4u, This is what I find interesting, I bet if you went to the Baptist preachers and you asked them if they hold to the whole bible, they would tell you yes. Amazing right? And I also bet, that if you went to the Pentecostal preachers and you asked them if they hold to the whole...

7, I believe that the scriptures show that the sheep are the believers, who, because they believe Jesus is who he said he is, and the Jews are who the bible said they are, help the Jews out, even at the threat of their own life. Let be clear here.... The sheep are not saved because they...

Retrobyter, You make a very valid point, I will give you this one. And let me remind everyone when I started this, I did say that this one point was the one that I struggled with the most. I did say that out of my entire case, this one part was my weakest argument. But I did my best to...

Enoch, No, that is not what I think, I believe that there will be tons of people saved during the Millennium, but there will only be believers that enter to the start into it. When Jesus returns, he will gather all the nations ( all the people in the entire world that is still alive ) for the...

Enoch, That would make them unbelievers, which mean there were not righteous. Unless you can explain how someone can can be righteous and not be a believer. Joshua David

Does the first resurrection include the Saints that was raised when Jesus was? Does the first resurrection include the two witnesses? Either it includes everyone or it doesn't, you can't have it both ways. If it includes everyone, then it includes those Saints that were resurrected when Jesus...

I think I wasn't very clear, I agree that there is a resurrection at the end of the tribulation. I just don't agree that this resurrection is the rapture of the church. Rev 20:4-6 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those...

Enoch, The pre-trib doctrine has no gaping holes in it, I have shown you that there were resurrections prior to the one stated at the end of the Tribulation. The fact that you believe the Holy Spirit would have had John tell it, is your opinion, not a fact. He didn't mention the Old...

Ok guys, give me a sec to catch up and I will try to get to everyone, without having to write a wall of text.. Joshua David I will concede that there is a mass resurrection at the end of the Tribulation, and I will also concede that John identifies this event as the first resurrection. And...

Enoch, I can understand why you would feel this way. I really do. But also keep in mind that we shouldn't be totally relying on our preacher, sunday school teachers, or anybody else to teach us what the bible says, we should be studying the bible for ourselves. If I am wrong about the...

Terry, Very well thought out.. And to be honest, It is as solid an argument as any that I have seen. The only question that I have is how do you explain that at the second coming the 'Beast' is captured alive and thrown into the lake of fire, along with the false prophet, while Satan, the...