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    The pre-tribulational rapture

    Hmmmm....some south Pacific island? MY HOUSE is a house of peace and safety. Actually, much of the world has the absense of war right now. Look at it this way? Will there be any time in our future before the millennial reign that we will have more peace than now? Lamad Veteran writes: "that...
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    What Should A Person Do If They Miss The Rapture ?

    WHO is being gatherd here? It is the nations of the world. Remember the ten kings that give their power to the Beast for "one hour?" It is the combined armies of these ten nations: THEY (the armies) are gathered together to face Jesus as He returns on the white horse. OF COURSE they are not told...
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    What Should A Person Do If They Miss The Rapture ?

    As I said, impossible! You have shown a nice verse, but it has NOTHING to do with Paul's pretrib gathering. Lamad
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    What Should A Person Do If They Miss The Rapture ?

    ha ha! Good luck showing the error of PLAIN TRUTH! You will find it impossible!
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    The pre-tribulational rapture

    Good try, Veteran, but still wrong. NO PART of Paul's rapture takes place in heaven. Yes, as Paul said, Jesus will bring the spirits of those who have died in Christ with Him. But that is NOT Paul's "gathering." Paul's gathering is the dead in Christ AFTER they spirits have rejoined their...
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    The pre-tribulational rapture

    it is very simple; NONE of what is written here has anything to do with Paul's rapture. This gathering gathers from HEAVEN not earth. It is not Paul's rapture. You cannot find the rapture ANYWHERE but in Paul's writing, because He is the only writer of the New Testament that received the...
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    What Should A Person Do If They Miss The Rapture ?

    'oliver', on 20 Oct 2012 - 09:15 AM, said: The rapture removes the church before the wrath of God: For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Thess 5:9) The great tribulation that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24 is the wrath of God on the...
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    Speculating on ... "the lie" ... (endtimes)

    Veteran has the word of God behind what he wrote. Do you? 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. So in this definition, it is someone who denies the Father AND the Son. So if someone believes in the Father but...
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    ARE THERE STILL PROPHETS AND APOSTLES?

    kaotic profit There is one thing I am very sure of: you will not have to worry about God asking you to become an Apostle or prophet, because God will never choose you to become one as long as you hold to your belief! God does not bless people with things they make fun of or make light of...
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    Christ will come again

    Daq wrote: Are you truly willing to die for Yeshua? Immerse yourself into the Name of the Father, (all Torah is his Name) as Yeshua did. The same Spirit that raised up Messiah will likewise raise you up in the Great Day and no more shall you be "under" the law. :) Daq, are you saying we are...
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    Pre Tribulation rapture of the Church

    The point remains, this group too large to number MUST BE some group. We know they are a group that are born again, by their definition. We know they came out of a period of time called "great tribulation." There is not one hint that they were martyred, so why assume they are? I know (perhaps...
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    What is the third woe?

    Aha! You finally give us your definition of Literal Israel. Do you know that the primarily Jewish church DIED OUT the first generation? Those churches simply disappeared, shortly after God turned to the Gentiles. For much of the last 2000 years the church has been mostly made up of Gentiles...
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    Speculating on ... "the lie" ... (endtimes)

    First off, I think you have quoted from a TERRIBLE translation! How can we hope to discover the truth with a sad translation? English Standard Version The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, New American Standard Bible that is, the...
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    Pre Tribulation rapture of the Church

    If you don't think this group is the raptured church, then who do YOU say they are? Do you understand that Jesus laid aside all His Godly attributues to become a man? All He did, He did as a MAN anointed by the Holy Spirit. So He knew only what the Father revealed to Him, which was a LOT. Do...
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    just as was in the days of Noah

    Good job! Finally someone that sees this the way I do. I think His only point was the SUDDENESS of the event. It will come with no warning. It will be as the thief in the night, a time when no one suspects. Lamad
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    When will all the tares BURNED and wheat be harvest?

    The tares are taken first: this is NOT at the time of the pretrib rapture. At the rapture, those In Christ are taken. In Luke, those taken leave their bodies for the vultures. They are taken to hell. I think those taken in Luke 17 is the parable of the wheat and tares taking place. Since angels...
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    Pre Tribulation rapture of the Church

    If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, acts like a duck, it is a DUCK! iIs there a clear scripture telling us this is NOT the raptured bride? For those that believe John 14, then 1 Thes. 4:17, we KNOW there is coming an event that will take the bride to heaven. From Revelation 1:1 to...
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    Revelation was written during Nero's reign before 70AD

    READERS BEWARE! NOTE CAREFULLY: all the scriptures were written by “obviously” fallible-men, [* c] and therefore will ultimately be recognized by everyone to have included many doctrines-of-men Now compare with: 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable...
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    What is the third woe?

    Eric! Not you too! You cannot possibly find a scrpture for HIs coming midtrib, for He does not come then! You will have Him missing His own wedding! Please go to chapter 19, and forever know, He comes at the END of the week, and not before, except to the air for the rapture before the week...
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    Pre Tribulation rapture of the Church

    I have provided bible evidence over an over, but preconceived glasses prevent some from reading. It is SO simple: the church was seen IN HEAVEN by John in Rev. 7, having just been raptured, before John as even begun the 70th week. The ONLY thing posttribbers can do with this is deny it is the...