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No...these passages are far from 'clear'. Far from the 'slam dunk' you claim them to be. The passage in Rev 2 is inconclusive. While the majority of times Rev uses 'nations', it is for the wicked peoples of the earth, it also applies it to the peoples of God from every tribe, tongue...

Romans 14:10–12 [10] Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; [11] for it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.”...

Matthew 25:19–21 [19] Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. [20] And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.’ [21] His...

With all due respect... I see plenty in those verses. And yes, they are loaded with info. However...IF I were going to see what you do in them, don't you think I would have by now? The very fact that I do not and cannot, is why we are having this conversation. Therefore, if you wish me to see...

You may have addressed these passages, but I have not seen your attempt. But if your rebuttal is that none of them mention that all humans are killed at the second coming, then I confess I'm disappointed. I've never claimed that all humans are killed at Christ's return. I've said that they are...

Hold up! Straight forward, yes. Absolutely. Nicely laid out even, so well done. The huge problem you have here, is your conclusion. You lay out all the verses that corroborate how the beast is killed and thrown into the lake of fire. And then sum it up by saying "see, not everyone is killed!"...

I'm terribly sorry, but I'm not sure I follow any of that. Did we need, specifically, to bring the Holy Spirit into the conversation? Undoubtably he is there, as he is everywhere, I'm not saying otherwise, but he was in no way pertinent to the point I was attempting to make. Or so I thought...

Daniel 7 is interesting. And...I'm not sure it supports what you hope it does. We could spend heaps of time digging through it, but I'll just hit the highlights: In v7, we see the 4th beast, a 'terrifying beast', which was different to all the other beasts....it had a little horn, which will...

That's all very interesting and impressive, but it doesn't hold much sway, I'm afraid. For two reasons: The first is... You have yet to deal with the many biblical passages that actively STATE that no one living (or dead for that matter) gets through the second coming without being judged. Which...

If I may, I would like to focus in on one particular point you've made. You've said, 'ruling over the mortal nations not slain at the second coming'. And then later, referred to the saints becoming immortal at the second coming. My concern is with the first statement, and the idea behind it; as...

Ah. Hmmm. Okay. You've sort of hared off in a direction I wasn't really looking. But okay, we can go there. I think the fundamental issue we have here, is that there is a misunderstanding in how the Kingdom manifests. Just because I believe that scripture teaches that Christ is ruling and...

7 year Tribulation? Nope. Paul defines what the Day of the Lord is for us: 2 Thessalonians 2:1–4 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or...

I confess...I don't have a clue who it might be, and I'm not entirely sure I want to engage in 'pin the tail on the antichrist'..... However...I will comment on something I've been wondering about in Daniel 9. It's probably a stupid thought, but hey...if you can't have a stupid thought...

Interesting post. Here's my thoughts on it: As intriguing as the reference to the 'abomination of desolation' in Matt 24 is, there is nothing there that even suggests Jesus is pointing to a rapture event. Again, when we do go to Dan 9 and look at the 'AOD', there is nothing within the text to...

Well...it would be tempting to be astounded and put in place by your reasoning, I confess. But, folks who claim to be educated in Greek with opposing views on such matters are a dime a dozen. So...I rather think I find your brushing aside of a decent question and the of obvious logic behind...

Mmm. And yet...the explanation of how 1 hour (60 minutes) can truly mean that in any sense of...well...sense...is yet forthcoming. But I'm sure it's because it means the kings loose. Even though it says they're given power and authority for that time. So, to read one thing straight up, you have...

Friend...I fully admit I'm not trained in Greek. However, as I showed before, one can, and should, take into consideration how the NT has used the phrase before. When scripture consistently uses the phrase as 'eleventh hour', 'sixth hour' or ONE 'hour'...giving you the amount of time you need to...

It's all dandy then, isn't it? You don't do literal. I don't do spiritual. Everyone has Revelation all sorted, and its certainly not backwards, forwards or happening at the same time.

Ah. Got it. You're allowed to say we 'overspiritualise' when we say 'some things are literal, while some things are symbolic', but when we say you focus too hard on literalism, its a 'made up accusation'. Got it. I do find it funny, all things considered. People say that the 'danger' with...

Uh. This is hurting my brain. So...you guys, who insist we must take everything that is written literally, actually want me to believe that this passage is actually saying that 'giving authority' to these guys, is in reality, meaning that they're being defeated? I mean. Sure. I totally get...