“Once For All”

[Sister-n-Christ]

Romans 3:26-31 KJV
26) To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27) Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29) Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30) Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

The requirement for faith upholds the validity of the Law.

The point isn't the the Law becomes meaningless since we are not saved by keeping the Law. What Paul is saying here is that because we Have to be saved by faith, this shows that the Law does in fact condemn us. And therefore we do in fact have to be saved by faith, because no one keeps or has kept all the Law.

Think about what I've said. Let me know if you want to discuss this further. I'll let you know I'm fully convinced of the truth of these things, and I am fully convinced this is clearly taught in the Bible.

This does not render me Lawless, rather, under a higher Law, the "Law of Christ", AKA the Law of Love.

Much love!

Right. Justified by faith. God declaring us righteous by faith in the work of Christ.

" ...without the deeds of the law."

That's not saying the law ceases to mean something to us. Nor did Paul say that.

I appreciate in your closing remarks you shared,admitted, discussion with you is a waste of time. You will not accept if you are proven wrong because you don't think you can be. My words .

Thanks for your time.

 

[marks]

That's not saying the law ceases to mean something to us. Nor did Paul say that.

Please hear me out. I will be patient, I will listen to you, and I will respond to your thoughts and views. You don't know me. I'm a guy that values truth, that's all I care about. That's why I became Christian over 40 years ago. If I see something different, and I see how I've been mistaken, I embrace it. What? Do I think I have all knowledge? All understanding?

I truly hope you don't misunderstand me. I'm not lawless. I'm under a different Law, more demanding, yet not coerced, but I keep it because of love. I keep the Law of Christ (as I am able) because of how much God loves me. He only has my good at heart. Out of His love for me, I try as much as I am able to do what is pleasing to Him. But not to make myself right with Him. Jesus did that, and I cannot add to it.

If we are not living in keeping with the Law and it's principles as they can be applied to us, I'd say we need to make sure we are walking in the Lord. Some of the Law cannot really be applied to us today. Tithes, sacrifices, these are impossible with the passing of the temple and the Levitical priesthood. There are a number of these laws that we don't do, like burning moldy clothes, eating Kosher, dipping things in running streams to purify them, There is much like that.

But to the point. Let's just use the 10 commandments. To be clear, these were never intended to be the only Law, or a divisible part from the rest. God's covenant with Israel was "All that You say we will do." This is why Jesus referred to "the Law and the Prophets", it was all the covenant, all that you say we will do.

If I'm worshiping other gods, and not just in love with God, something is plainly wrong. If I'm sleeping around, again, plainly wrong. If I'm lying about others, wrong wrong wrong. If I'm not resting on the 7th day, well, now we get to the new covenant. God teaches us that the truth sabbath rest is in Christ. Just as God rested from all His work, so we are to rest from all our work, because we trust in Christ.

This rest is that we rest from works, and in particular, works of Law. But again, that doesn't mean "lawless". Here is a verse that examplifies what I'm saying:

Ephesians 4:24-25 KJV
24) And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25) Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.

We are to not lie to one another, but instead to speak truth. But not as a matter of obedience to Law, rather, because we are members of one another. We are family. We are connected. We are to live that way. Speaking Truth, this is to do righteousness.

Ephesians 4:28 KJV
28) Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Living in service to others, this is holiness, being the person God intends us to be. But not because we are interpreting a Law that has much we cannot do, but because we are new creations, created to do those works God appointed for us to do. Not what we think we should do because we endeavor to keep the Law, but what God wants us to do, because we know how much He loves us, in what He's already given for us, given to us.

Having a sense of how much He loves me, I want to be pleasing to Him.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

The 10 commands of God that were given to Moses are moral laws.

The 10 commandments are unable to provide righteousness to a sinner.
The 613 Laws of Moses are unable to provide righteousness to a sinner.

This is why God had to send Jesus to us, so that we could be given the Righteousness that He requies of us, as "the Gift of Righteousness"... so that He can accpet us and keep us.

So, the 10 commandments, are certainly a lifestyle boundary....a moral code....but, they can't save you......and in fact if you are trying to keep them so that God will have you, then that means you are not saved, or you are saved but have no understanding of The New Covenant, as the Blood Atonement, that is provided by God so that we can be forgiven. @Sister-n-Christ .

 

[Behold]

The argument for,license to sin, was just published by Behold above.

What Christ has accomplished on The Cross, deals with the Law, so that the Law can no longer define a BELIEVER, as a sinner.

"where there is no Law, there is no sin"....and The Born again, are "not under the Law, but under Grace".

So, you need to figure this out @Sister-n-Christ , as until you do, your are this one........

Hebrews 6:1

 

[Behold]

And God tells us Behold will answer for every careless word there.

I dont post "careless words"... I only Teach Paul's Theology, and you have no clue as to Paul's theology, which is not a compliment. @Sister-n-Christ .

 

[Netchaplain]

I'm not sure why you are so avoidant of my question, but so be it.

Much love!

Hi, and what question are you referring too? Thanks!

 

[marks]

Hi, and what question are you referring too? Thanks!

For the Christian, what sins are not willful? Doesn't the idea of a Christian unwillfully committing a sin go against the teaching from Scripture that we've been freed from the power of sin? So that there is no sin you cannot choose to not commit, isn't that so?

Much love!

This one.

Much love!

 

[Netchaplain]

This one.

Much love!

Hi, and thanks for the response! Example of some unwilful sins; jealousy, wrath, etc. Sins that are impulsive and not intended. Willful sins are intended or on purpose.

 

[marks]

Hi, and thanks for the response! Example of some unwilful sins; jealousy, wrath, etc. Sins that are impulsive and not intended. Willful sins are intended or on purpose.

I find I always have the opportunity to choose. That when the anger begins to rise in me, I can either shut it off or release it, and the sin is in releasing it in a failure to love that person instead. In the Spirit is the power to recognize and stop it.

Much love!

 

[Netchaplain]

I find I always have the opportunity to choose. That when the anger begins to rise in me, I can either shut it off or release it, and the sin is in releasing it in a failure to love that person instead. In the Spirit is the power to recognize and stop it.

Much love!

Yes, I think that since God always knows we just want to "please" Him, He continues to always maintain forgiveness (1Jn 1:9). It pleases Him to see us confess (admit) when we've sinned, and just continue to thank Him for His forgiveness.

 

[marks]

Yes, I think that since God always knows we just want to "please" Him, He continues to always maintain forgiveness (1Jn 1:9). It pleases Him to see us confess (admit) when we've sinned, and just continue to thank Him for His forgiveness.

OK, I'm not pursuing it.

Much love!

 

[Debp]

@Netchaplain Hi, I sent you a PM...hope you saw it.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Paul do not want to sin after he converted (Ro 7:15-20)

Paul is not describing a Christian in Romans 7 as he said that man was sold under sin.
That's the description of someone who has yet to be born again.

The answer to Romans 7 is Romans 8 so keep reading over in to Romans 8

because I believe in Eternal Security, you condemn me to hell?!!!

The New Testament does not teach it's not possible for one to lose their salvation so those going around telling this to others are teaching false doctrine which is heresy

Heresy is one of the works of the flesh the Lord says in His Word that causes some to not inherit the Kingdom of God.

The thing to do is repent and ask the Lord to forgive you for participating and spreading false doctrine.

“"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.” (Joh 6:37 NKJV)

You should read ALL of what Jesus says on this topic such as:

John 15:2 - Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

I don't pay attention to this fellow's posts. The anger and bitterness show there is little maturity there.

I don't pay attention to this fellow's posts seeing he embraces false doctrine while claiming to be "mature"

 

[Netchaplain]

Paul is not describing a Christian in Romans 7 as he said that man was sold under sin.
That's the description of someone who has yet to be born again.

The answer to Romans 7 is Romans 8 so keep reading over in to Romans 8

Hi, but I believe Paul is showing how it works with the Christian life. We sin but do not want to sin (Ro 7:15-20). Paul concludes that he is delivered "through Jesus Christ" (Ro 7:24, 25).

"With the mind" - With the understanding, the conscience, the purposes, or intentions of the soul. This is a characteristic of the renewed nature. Of no impenitent sinner could it be ever affirmed that with his mind he served the Law of God. -Albert Barnes (1798-1890).

This is the body of death Paul refers to: Col 3:5, 8 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry" (this is the old man).

 

[Debp]

The New Testament does not teach it's not possible for one to lose their salvation so those going around telling this to others are teaching false doctrine which is heresy

Heresy is one of the works of the flesh the Lord says in His Word that causes some to not inherit the Kingdom of God.

The thing to do is repent and ask the Lord to forgive you for participating and spreading false doctrine.

You should be careful about teaching wrong doctrine.

One cannot be un-born again. The indwelling Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.
Romans 8:16

 

[Dash RipRock]

We sin but do not want to sin

No, maybe YOU sin and possibly not want to sin but do it anyway because you love your sin more than you do the Lord.

You should be careful about teaching wrong doctrine.

One cannot be un-born again. The indwelling Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.
Romans 8:16

So called once saved always saved is false doctrine. It's heresy
One can easily become corrupt after having been born again by backsliding and going back to living after the flesh

What you are claiming is that one can go back to their sin and still be saved which is heresy and it a trick of the devil.

2 Peter 2:20 - For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

Romans 8:13 - For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Of course the devil jumps in to the minds of those embracing the heresy of once saved always saved claiming those who do not embrace once saved always saved are working to earn their salvation which is in error.

Submitting one's self to the Lord is being obedient to the gospel and is done thru the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Didn't you the Lord instructs His followers to put on the new man and turn away from sin???

Ephesians 4:22-24 - put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14 - put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Colossians 3:10 - And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created Him:

2 Corinthians 6:17 - come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

The Lord does not receive those that don't come out of sin, backslide back in to sin, or otherwise continues in sin after having been born again as you type falsely claims as we see in 2 Corinthians 6:17.

Those who go back to their sin are servants of the devil once again being led by demons and are not longer saved unless they confess and forsake their sin and come back in to a right relationship with the Lord.

Proverbs 28:13 - He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.

1 John 1:9 - IF we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

One cannot be in sin and right with God at the same time as there is no darkness in God..

1 John 1:6 - If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

Only those led by the Spirit are the sons of God (Romans 8:14)

2 Corinthians 13:5 - Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

If OSAS was actually true, the Lord wouldn't be saying what He says in 2 Corinthians 13:5

But as usual those who have accepted the devil's once saved always saved deception will continue in their folly as your next post will reveal.

 

[Dash RipRock]

This is the body of death Paul refers to: Col 3:5, 8 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry" (this is the old man).

Yes and the man in Romans 7 is still walking in this body of death having not been born again yet, not having put on the new man as we are instructed to do once becoming born again

 

[Netchaplain]

No, maybe YOU sin and possibly not want to sin but do it anyway because you love your sin more than you do the Lord.

Hi! It's my opinion that those who live with the intention of sinning are not saved yet (Heb 10:26).

 

[marks]

No, maybe YOU sin and possibly not want to sin but do it anyway because you love your sin more than you do the Lord.

Having put yourself on display here, you would do well to be mindful about what claims you choose to make about yourself, considering we've all had the opportunity to see what is true about you.

Much love!

 

[nedsk]

No, he is not saying that at all. You are misconstruing what he is talking about.

I believe in eternal security but I don't have any desire to live in sin. What blood washed, born again Christian desires sin?!

A sinful life is a life of misery. A life in the Lord is life and peace.

So you never sin.