Retrobyter
Heaven is a place just as much as any other 'place' is a place.
Heaven is not just 'sky'. Heaven is the place where God dwells. A place where we at present are not.
I didn't say 'sky' doesn't exist. I agree with Matt. 6:1-4.
The context of the greek word used for 'sky' or 'heaven' will tell you which is being addressed. 'Kingdom of Heaven' depicts not a kingdom of the sky. But a Kingdom from where God dwells. 'Our Father who art in Heaven' does not depict God in the sky. But it depicts 'God who dwells in a place called Heaven'.
I anticipate going to Heaven. John 14:1-3 " ...In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you....that where I am, there ye may be also." And where did Jesus go and where does He now sit? In Heaven at the right hand of the Father.
Capitalize what you want, and I will captalize what I want.
I don't deny what the Church is. The Church is the Body and Bride of Jesus Christ. I deny that the Church and Israel are the same.
Quantrill
I do not deny that salvation is by faith. Both to the Jew and Gentile.
I believe those verses you gave are clear that the Jew is being addressed. If a Jew is being addressed, then I believe it is being addressed to the Jew.
I didn't say I don't understand what Acts 13 and Heb.9 are saying. I don't uderstand what point you are trying to make with them.
Quantrill
Heaven is a place just as much as any other 'place' is a place.
Heaven is not just 'sky'. Heaven is the place where God dwells. A place where we at present are not.
I didn't say 'sky' doesn't exist. I agree with Matt. 6:1-4.
The context of the greek word used for 'sky' or 'heaven' will tell you which is being addressed. 'Kingdom of Heaven' depicts not a kingdom of the sky. But a Kingdom from where God dwells. 'Our Father who art in Heaven' does not depict God in the sky. But it depicts 'God who dwells in a place called Heaven'.
I anticipate going to Heaven. John 14:1-3 " ...In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you....that where I am, there ye may be also." And where did Jesus go and where does He now sit? In Heaven at the right hand of the Father.
Capitalize what you want, and I will captalize what I want.
I don't deny what the Church is. The Church is the Body and Bride of Jesus Christ. I deny that the Church and Israel are the same.
Quantrill
Well, explain how these verses in Gal.and Heb. are linked and what they add to your argument.dragonfly said:Hi Quantrill,
Thanks for your reply.
The verses I gave in Galatians 3 are 8 and 14, (and 28 and 29) - not 1 - 8. 8 and 14 are directly linked to Hebrews 9:15 and Romans 4:16.
Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Here is Paul's open salvo in Romans 1.
Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6 Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
How can you possibly carry on believing a fragment of the book (in chapter 2) is directed only at 'the Jew'?
That is why I bring them to your attention for further study.
I do not deny that salvation is by faith. Both to the Jew and Gentile.
I believe those verses you gave are clear that the Jew is being addressed. If a Jew is being addressed, then I believe it is being addressed to the Jew.
I didn't say I don't understand what Acts 13 and Heb.9 are saying. I don't uderstand what point you are trying to make with them.
Quantrill