1 Corinthians 2 is so abused

[VictoryinJesus]

Absolutely. Good post.

The anointing which is spoken of in 1 John 2:27-28 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. [28] And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

How does one receive the anointing that teaches you all things, and is truth, and is no lie?

 

[CNKW3]

Again, presumption or unction?

"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." John 20:29

I do believe in Jesus. I do believe he is the son of God and that he was crucified, buried and raised from the dead and I have seen nothing nor do I need to see.

Are the fingers the nose? Is the arm the foot? All have their function as prescribed by God and as led by their Director! Do you know all of God's business and all of the business of those parts of the Body which are not you? The Head most certainly does!

No I don’t. But God has already preprogrammed this. He knows there will be preachers teacher, elders, deacons, etc. the qualifications of those are listed in scripture. He has not personally decided who is going to be an elder, deacon, preacher. Do you think God personally called Billy Graham to be an evangelist? I don’t, because he did not teach the truth. God wouldn’t “call” someone to preach and then have them spend 60 years preaching false doctrine.

Then the ignorant will remain ignorant; the blind, blind; and the deaf, deaf. No hope for the man who is unable to see or hear... no more touches from Jesus heal blinded or diminished visions.

Then a man who already knows so much he is able to continue without God... without even the Holy Spirit to lead him... in spite of what Jeremiah wrote here:

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

Every reply from me on this board is led by the HS. I don’t give you my opinion. I give you what the HS has given me to give to you.
An example of Jeremiah 10....
In all of Billy Graham’s crusades he would close by asking those who believe in Jesus to get out of there seat, come down front as a public confession, (sort of an altar call). He would then say a few more words, say a prayer, and then they were to seek out some church somewhere.
All of this is complete false doctrine directed by man and not by God. He came up with this. You cannot find one example of a billy Graham invitation in all the NT. Nobody was ever directed to do what he asked you to do. Complete man made. This is not my opinion. I challenge you to find one example in Gods word.

Jesus came and advised us that a better teacher was being sent... and it was NOT another Word of God. Jesus was already the only Word of God... The Bible is NOT Jesus. Bible contain dead words which may be quickened in people by the Holy Ghost/Spirit.

see, I can know 100% you are not being led by the Spirit. Because the Spirit said...
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
The word quick, means living. It is a living word. It is not dead. Just because people misuse them does not mean they are dead words. The serpent used Gods word with Eve. All he did was add a little 3 letter word. There was nothing wrong with the words, only in how they were used. The Bible warns us of this..
2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
This is what most people do. They misuse scripture and that will be to their own destruction. Just because people preach “Jesus” doesn’t mean they are preaching truth. It matters what and how one uses the word. James tells us that not everybody should be a teacher.

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

Once again...THIS WAS NOT SPOKEN DIRECTLY TO YOU. You were never promised miraculous memory.

No, you don't need to see my world and you cannot... God can see of our worlds and when allowed to do He will help us overcome it. Only overcomers may partake of the Tree of Life.

you can’t overcome in any way you choose. You must do it on his terms not yours.

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7

This was written to a church of Christ in Ephesus. If you want to overcome you must do it in the Lords church. Not in just any church you choose. You must overcome on his terms not yours.

The gifts will cease when they are no longer needed, but do you see this society of men or even what men call churches as being in such good [remembering that only God is good] condition that they no longer need God's help?

this goes back to what does “that which is perfect” in 1 Cor 13 mean. Paul tells us those gifts would cease when...”that which is perfect” comes. He is not talking about Jesus and his return, he is speaking of the fully revealed will in the word we have been given. We don’t know in part anymore as they did. We know fully Gods will. We have “that which is perfect”. Therefore gifts have ceased. You know they have because nobody has them anymore. Some may claim they do but cant demonstrate.

When Jesus failed it was because people limited God. This is still true to today when people by their negative faith limit God.

Do we will hear His voice? Do we obey what we hear? If not, why not?

"To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers." John 10:3-5

too vague. whats an example of “limiting God”?
This other passage talks about “his own sheep”. Who are “his own sheep”. This discussion would take a whole other page.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

this is a perfect illustration of our current understanding of Faith I guess, yes​

when you have described the five different Scriptural roots for Belief and the one for Faith maybe we can talk about this some more

I see you edited your post to add "scriptural." I still ask for the verses. I don't know them.

 

[CNKW3]

I am late reading this thread, and haven't finished yet - so if someone has already mentioned this , I apologise.
Do you believe that Paul was an apostle ?
Do you believe that he was Led and guided by the Holy Spirit ?
You see if you respond ' yes ' to both, well that message wasn't just for those actually hearing it that day - which is what you are saying isn't it?
So I am not sure you can use this as a basis of evidence that he was ' only ' speaking to the twelve at the time, unless you don't believe that the Holy Spirit came to Paul on the Damascus road!!
Rita

Of course I can. The truth is that Christ appeared to Saul in person. That has not happened since and does not happen today. If you can’t see that appearing to Saul was a miraculous event then I can’t help you.
Jesus specifically said...
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Saul was a CHOSEN VESSEL of Christ. You and I are not. Did he say that about anybody else? If you don’t understand this then I’m sorry there will be no help for you.

 

[CNKW3]

priceless

so then who is not really even here do you think, you or me?
ha well you say "contrasting" but I Read "comparing" myself, "the same things we got, you're gonna get," but bam read that as contrast if you like ok.
i tend to believe you dont know what twelve even means yet, and that no one will be able to show you right now anyway

Ok, you don’t like contrast, then we will go with compare. In order to compare there must be two DIFFERENT subjects in mind. That is all I’m saying, but you don’t care you will just argue with it anyway.

 

[CNKW3]

There is scripture for your condition:
2 Tim. 3:1-5
[5] Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

When Jesus told the religious people of his day that they were wrong they responded in the same way. Thank you for that.
Where is the power of God today?
Rom 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ for IT IS THE POWER OF GOD unto salvation. The word of God is where the power lies today.
You people on here think you that finding one passage you like and then just posting it without any explanation or application means anything. It doesn’t. Anybody can find any passage that will say anything they want it to. But in the end it doesn’t matter.

 

[CNKW3]

The anointing which is spoken of in 1 John 2:27-28 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. [28] And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

How does one receive the anointing that teaches you all things, and is truth, and is no lie?

Through the word we have today. John was speaking to people that would have had spiritual gifts. A real anointing or unction. They did not have the word we have today so they were given miraculous, spiritual gifts. We dont need that today.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

No I do not. We are all individuals. We all possess certain abilities, qualities, talents, etc. we can use whatever abilities we have within the kingdom to help it advance. Those aren’t gifts of the HS. They are just a part of who we are as individuals.

all those abilities, qualities, talents, etc are attributed to the flesh. Abilities any natural man can produce. The Spiritual gifts are “spiritual”...not literal gifts for the building up of the natural man. Not gifts given by the Spirit to prosper that natural man since God has already said he is temporal and passing away.

The Spiritual gifts (spiritual in nature) are for the building up and edification of the spiritual body and are not for the natural man. The Spiritual gifts are to prosper the Spirit and not the flesh. To say spiritual gifts are natural is to also say the Spiritual fruit is natural and not Spiritual. To say there are no more spiritual gifts is to say all those born of the Spirit of God, babes in Christ no longer need the Spirit to teach, nurture, edify, or guide to maturity.

 

[CNKW3]

all those abilities, qualities, talents, etc are attributed to the flesh. Abilities any natural man can produce. The Spiritual gifts are “spiritual”...not literal gifts for the building up of the natural man. Not gifts given by the Spirit to prosper that natural man since God has already said he is temporal and passing away.

The Spiritual gifts (spiritual in nature) are for the building up and edification of the spiritual body and are not for the natural man. The Spiritual gifts are to prosper the Spirit and not the flesh. To say spiritual gifts are natural is to also say the Spiritual fruit is natural and not Spiritual. To say there are no more spiritual gifts is to say all those born of the Spirit of God, babes in Christ no longer need the Spirit to teach, nurture, edify, or guide to maturity.

Why don’t you give me a couple of examples of what you just said. Who has these “gifts” and what are they.
People believe that everything in man is sinful. No it is not. We all have natural God given desires that are not sinful. We make them sinful by taking them beyond where they were designed to go. That is the “flesh” taking over.
The Spirit does teach today. THROUGH HIS WORD.

 

[Butterfly]

Of course I can. The truth is that Christ appeared to Saul in person. That has not happened since and does not happen today. If you can’t see that appearing to Saul was a miraculous event then I can’t help you.
Jesus specifically said...
Acts 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Saul was a CHOSEN VESSEL of Christ. You and I are not. Did he say that about anybody else? If you don’t understand this then I’m sorry there will be no help for you.

I guess that would depend on how you interpret the word vessel- yes Pauls encounter was miraculous, and yes, he was used in a certain way. However vessel means ' instrument ' and if you are honestly saying that you do not believe that anyone since that times has not been transformed in a miraculous way by encountering Christ, and the used as a instrument in serving the Lord, then I would have to say I do not agree with you.
Which is fine , you enabled me to see a bigger picture of what you believe by your answer. I will just leave it there thank you x
I do see how Pauls conversions was unique , in so much as he did encounter Jesus in a personal and dramatic way.( in my earlier post I wrote Holy Spirit instead of Jesus) I am obviously one of the believers that does believe in recieving the Holy Spirit, so it's pretty obvious that we are not going to agree. I think it just bothered me that you claimed the promise was just for those in the upper room, Paul was equally guided and led by the Holy Spirit , as many others were, and yet they were not in the upper room. That was the main point of my post.
Rita

 

[Earburner]

Rom 8:9 says that the Spirit of God dwells in you and that the Spirit of Christ dwells in you. It does not say how. You read that and say it is literally the Spirit dwells in you. There are more passages that say Christ and the father dwell in you. But you know Christ does not literally dwell in you. The Spirit dwells in you when you allow his word to be the guide for your life.
Let the Bible explain. Here are parallel passages....
Ephesians 5:18-19 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

In the above parallel passages we see the same thought. He is saying the same thing in a different way. In one we are to be filled with the spirit. In the other we are to let the word dwell in us. He is teaching the same thing. How is one filled with the Spirit? When they let the word dwell in them. This is the Bible explaining and being it’s own best commentary. The Spirit doesn’t dwell in you unless you allow the word to be your guide.
Ok, how’s that?

Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
When you read Mt 15 you find that the Pharisees went about to establish there own righteousness through the doctrines of men. 15:8,9.
In order for your righteousness to exceed theirs you need to obey God and not man made doctrine. The Bible says throughout that we are not to turn to the right or to the left. So, your righteousness (or the means by which someone is made righteous) should be greater then the Pharisees (who used their own man made means for righteousness). Meaning....believe in what God says and not man. If the “pastor” tells you that salvation is by faith plus nothing, instead of following false man made doctrine, you need to follow what the Bible actually says about salvation if you want to enter the kingdom of heaven. The “sinners prayer” won’t do it.

Actually, you missed the whole point of God's Righteousness. God's Righteousness IS HIMSELF, who was Jesus, being God IN THE FLESH!
Jesus Himself IS THE Gospel! He is God's GIFT to the world!!
.
Mat. 5:19-20
I challenge all to tell me how it is that the least and great are in the KoH/KoG together, but none do answer correctly!
The answer is found in verse 20.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Why don’t you give me a couple of examples of what you just said. Who has these “gifts” and what are they.
People believe that everything in man is sinful. No it is not. We all have natural God given desires that are not sinful. We make them sinful by taking them beyond where they were designed to go. That is the “flesh” taking over.
The Spirit does teach today. THROUGH HIS WORD.

Do see what you are saying for example Luke 5:10-11 And so was also James, and John, the sons of Zebedee, which were partners with Simon. And Jesus said unto Simon, Fear not; from henceforth thou shalt catch men. [11] And when they had brought their ships to land, they forsook all, and followed him.

Yet this is also what I’m trying to share with you. There is natural ability in these fishermen caught fish. Then there is the Spiritual God given ability in “hereforth you shall catch men.” Not to advance or prosper the natural man but the spiritual body “they forsook all, and followed him.”

In attributing spiritual gifts to the natural and not to God is as one quoted above: to deny the power of God. To catch literal fish is within man’s abilities. The impossible of to catch men of the supernatural power of God you seem to deny in insisting it is of the natural man. Jesus Christ telling them to cast on the right side and therefore their nets were filled...had nothing to do with catching fish but “hereforth you shall catch men.”
The insisting it is natural and not spiritual gifts and spiritual fruit given by God is to deny the power and to claim it is within natural man’s ability which it is not. It is the difference between going fishing for literal fish. Or “they forsook all, and followed him.” “Hereforth you shall catch men.”One is within man’s ability. One is within God’s power. You seem to be denying one in favour of another.

 

[Earburner]

I guess that would depend on how you interpret the word vessel- yes Pauls encounter was miraculous, and yes, he was used in a certain way. However vessel means ' instrument ' and if you are honestly saying that you do not believe that anyone since that times has not been transformed in a miraculous way by encountering Christ, and the used as a instrument in serving the Lord, then I would have to say I do not agree with you.
Which is fine , you enabled me to see a bigger picture of what you believe by your answer. I will just leave it there thank you x
I do see how Pauls conversions was unique , in so much as he did encounter Jesus in a personal and dramatic way.( in my earlier post I wrote Holy Spirit instead of Jesus) I am obviously one of the believers that does believe in recieving the Holy Spirit, so it's pretty obvious that we are not going to agree. I think it just bothered me that you claimed the promise was just for those in the upper room, Paul was equally guided and led by the Holy Spirit , as many others were, and yet they were not in the upper room. That was the main point of my post.
Rita

Actually, a vessel is a container made purposely to contain something.
We were made for God Himself to DWELL IN.
We are the "temples that are made without hands"!
God wants to fill us with Himself.

 

[Butterfly]

Actually, a vessel is a container made purposely to contain something.
We were made for God Himself to DWELL IN.
We are the "temples that are made without hands"!
God wants to fill us with Himself.

So true xx

 

[Davy]

The stones of The Wailing Wall were never a part of the Temple:
"The Western Wall was never part of the Temple Mount, where the ancient holy places of worship for Jews stood. It is believed to be a remnant of the retaining wall that supported the esplanade built by King Herod in the first century B.C.E., holding up his reconstruction of the Second Temple."
Israel's Western Wall crisis: Why Jews are fighting with each other over the Jewish holy site, explained

Right, not part of the temple, but still stones on top of another at that temple mount area. And neither is this point enough proof against Jesus giving the signs of the end for the last generation.

 

[Davy]

maybe you are starting to understand.

Useless statement.

 

[Davy]

You began all of this with mark 13 and now have completely left mark 13. For some reason you don’t like Mk 13 anymore. We have not really looked at Mt 24. But yes a part of what they asked was about his second coming. So, let’s look at the transition from question 1 to 2.

Irrelevant. All this began by my countering your false belief that those in Christ no longer receive The Holy Spirit. I showed from Mark 13 how you are wrong on that, which was not a discussion of signs of the end. YOU... wandered off into that and left the discussion about The Holy Spirit. I suspect you do a lot of wandering off when you're proven wrong.

 

[amadeus]

I said "you are to be Elohim"
right.
Whosoever will, may come

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." Psalm 82:6

"Show the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together." Isaiah 41:23

"Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?" John 10:34-36

"And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me." Mark 8:34

What is this then becoming gods [Elohim]? Can anyone do this? If not, why not? Perhaps it is that unwillingness of many to deny themselves and take up their own cross. I guess some have decided that those two things don't go along with following Him!

"Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." I John 3:2

 

[bbyrd009]

and yet you want "to believe" and "to have faith" to mean the same thing

Sorry, i meant "insist" there i guess?

 

[Davy]

"...The antichrist is anyone or anything that wiggles in between a human being and God, someone who professes to know God better, or who speaks in God's name, or who rules people "according to God's will". All that is nonsense...
....

Really, what is nonsense is that link you provided. He tried to delegate the meaning of the word Christ to a mere mortal priest that is anointed. Prophets were anointed, kings were anointed, priests were anointed, but none... of them were The Christ, or Messiah. If God's Word makes no distinction by that phrase, then it is like saying Jesus is not God The Son, and has no power to forgive sins.

Many no doubt have been duped by that idiot in that article with his dissing our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. The reason he did that dissing was to prepare the duped into believing the lie that God's Word doesn't point to a singular Antichrist figure. It does, and in several Scriptures. This is why the early Church fathers also looked for the coming a singular Antichrist figure.

The ultimate deceiver pushing the doctrine that there is no singular Antichrist is the devil himself. That because he is going to be that singular Antichrist figure that is prophesied to come in our earthly dimension at the end of this world. And our Lord Jesus warned us about it...

Rev 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
KJV