1 Corinthians 2 is so abused

[amadeus]

Most people? How about none.

Again, presumption or unction?

"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." John 20:29

The body of Christ? Are those who have believed, repented and been baptized into Christ or into the body they are one in the same.

Are the fingers the nose? Is the arm the foot? All have their function as prescribed by God and as led by their Director! Do you know all of God's business and all of the business of those parts of the Body which are not you? The Head most certainly does!

Nobody is guided into any new revelation today. Jude says that we should contend for THE FAITH that has ONCE been delivered unto the saints. There are no more deliveries of truth.

Then the ignorant will remain ignorant; the blind, blind; and the deaf, deaf. No hope for the man who is unable to see or hear... no more touches from Jesus heal blinded or diminished visions.

I don’t seek after a sign. I can read about all the signs I need and I believe they happened in the way and for the reason they were intended.

Then a man who already knows so much he is able to continue without God... without even the Holy Spirit to lead him... in spite of what Jeremiah wrote here:

"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23

Jesus came and advised us that a better teacher was being sent... and it was NOT another Word of God. Jesus was already the only Word of God... The Bible is NOT Jesus. Bible contain dead words which may be quickened in people by the Holy Ghost/Spirit.

"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26

I don’t need to see your world. I can read and the Bible tells me that all those gifts of the Spirit would cease. And they have. That is verifiable. I can see all kinds of people claiming this and that but when it counts they can demonstrate nothing. Some may try to jibber jabber some tongue but I believe that lately people are even getting away from that because they see how ridiculous it is.

No, you don't need to see my world and you cannot... God can see of our worlds and when allowed to do He will help us overcome it. Only overcomers may partake of the Tree of Life.

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7

The gifts will cease when they are no longer needed, but do you see this society of men or even what men call churches as being in such good [remembering that only God is good] condition that they no longer need God's help?

This is a parallel passage to Mk 16:17-20. Those that believed in the early church could do all sorts of things.

When Jesus failed it was because people limited God. This is still true to today when people by their negative faith limit God.

nice, but how do you know what the will of the father is without the revealed will in the word. It is within the word that God has revealed his will for us. Are you equating yourself to Jesus in that you receive the will in the same way he did?

Do we will hear His voice? Do we obey what we hear? If not, why not?

"To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers." John 10:3-5

 

[charity]

You have to remember Peter did not like preaching to the Gentiles. After Pentecost he did not.
Acts 21:20 New International Version (NIV)
20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law.
Has nothing to do with the topic.

They were trying to be legalistic Christians. They saw themselves as different from Gentiles.

Same with Peter.

70 were still under Mosaic law.
Matthew 28:19 New International Version (NIV)
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

All nations includes Gentiles.

How could this be if the church did not begin until Pentecost?

Hello @CoreIssue,

Israel was not to be' reckoned among the nations' (Numbers 23:9), so they would never be included in that term, that was a term used for the gentile nations only. The discipl-ing of the nations will take place at the end of the age now: for the refusal of Israel to repent, made that instruction impossible at that time. It was necessary that they come to repentance in order to fulfil their Divinely appointed role of Priest unto God, and make disciples of the nations. Not individuals from among the nations notice, but the 'nations' themselves. That will now happen at the end of the age. The Twelve sought to make disciples of the Jews of Jerusalem and of the dispersion, and for forty years (approx.) they endeavoured to do so, but to no avail, even after believing gentiles were grafted into the Olive tree of Israel. So, at the end of the Acts the words of Isaiah 6 were quoted and Israel went away into blindness, Jerusalem was destroyed and the people scattered.

* Open your eyes, please, CoreIssue, for Peter was faithful to His Lord, and so were the believers from among the Jews at Jerusalem. They kept the law for it was required of them, not because they were disobedient. I did not go 'off topic' as you say, for I was merely replying to what you had yourself said.

* Why was it necessary for the Jerusalem council to meet to discuss the issue of the Gentile believer and the keeping of law in Acts 15, if law keeping was not still necessary for the believing Jew at that time? Which took place 10 years following the conversion of Cornelius, twenty years after the ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ.

* If replying to this will take you 'off topic', then don't respond to it.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[CoreIssue]

Hello @CoreIssue,

Israel was not to be' reckoned among the nations' (Numbers 23:9), so they would never be included in that term, that was a term used for the gentile nations only. The discipl-ing of the nations will take place at the end of the age now, for the refusal of Israel to repent, made that instruction impossible at that time. It was necessary that they come to repentance in order to fulfil their Divinely appointed role of Priest unto God, and make disciples of the nations. Not individuals from among the nations notice, but 'nations'. That will now happen at the end of the age. The Twelve were appointed to make disciples of the Jews of Jerusalem and of the dispersion, and for forty years (approx.) they endeavoured to do so, but to no avail. Until at the end of the Acts the words of Isaiah 6 were quoted and Israel went away into blindness, Jerusalem was destroyed and the people scattered.

Open your eyes, please, CoreIssue, for Peter was faithful to His Lord, and so were the believers from among the Jews at Jerusalem. They kept the law for it was required of them, not because they were disobedient. I did not go 'off topic' as you say, for I was merely reply
You are referencing a verse under Old Testament Israel and trying to apply it to the church.

As well as taking a prophetic statement of the future to restored Israel and trying to apply to church.

You have to get the context correct
inYou are referencing an Old Testament verse and trying to apply it to the New Testament times. to what you had yourself said.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[charity]

Charity #322:- * Open your eyes, please, CoreIssue, for Peter was faithful to His Lord, and so were the believers from among the Jews at Jerusalem. They kept the law for it was required of them, not because they were disobedient. I did not go 'off topic' as you say, for I was merely replying to what you had yourself said.

CoreIssue #323:- ... You are referencing a verse under Old Testament Israel and trying to apply it to the church.
As well as taking a prophetic statement of the future to restored Israel and trying to apply to church.
You have to get the context correct
in You are referencing an Old Testament verse and trying to apply it to the New Testament times. to what you had yourself said.

Hello @CoreIssue,

I managed to salvage this from the response you made to my post. Your words got caught up in my entry that you were quoting. However, I have no idea what you are referring to. For I did neither of those things.

Don't worry about responding again, for we have both made our positions on this clear I think.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[CoreIssue]

Hello @CoreIssue,

I managed to salvage this from the response you made to my post. Your words got caught up in my entry that you were quoting.

However, I have no idea what you are referring to. For I did neither of those things.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

You referenced Old Testament and tried to apply it to the church.

You referenced Israel after the second coming and try to apply to the church.

That is out of context.

 

[charity]

You referenced Old Testament and tried to apply it to the church.

You referenced Israel after the second coming and try to apply to the church.

That is out of context.

No, @CoreIssue, I did not! You have interpreted my words (in reply #322) wrongly.

* Let this be the end of it.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Butterfly]

Jn 13-16 is the last supper which Christ enjoyed with “only” the apostles. The word “only” means there was “nobody” else there. So in Jn 14 and 16 when he said....
I will send “you” the comforter. Who was he talking to? This should be a very easy answer unless you want to be difficult.

In John 15:27 Jesus said...
And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
So, is this spoken to everybody or was it directed to the apostles “ONLY”?

I am late reading this thread, and haven't finished yet - so if someone has already mentioned this , I apologise.
Do you believe that Paul was an apostle ?
Do you believe that he was Led and guided by the Holy Spirit ?
You see if you respond ' yes ' to both, well that message wasn't just for those actually hearing it that day - which is what you are saying isn't it?
So I am not sure you can use this as a basis of evidence that he was ' only ' speaking to the twelve at the time, unless you don't believe that the Holy Spirit came to Paul on the Damascus road!!
Rita

 

[farouk]

Do you believe that Paul was an apostle ?
Do you believe that he was Led and guided by the Holy Spirit ?

Good, basic questions indeed!

 

[charity]

I am late reading this thread, and haven't finished yet - so if someone has already mentioned this , I apologise.
Do you believe that Paul was an apostle ?
Do you believe that he was Led and guided by the Holy Spirit ?
You see if you respond ' yes ' to both, well that message wasn't just for those actually hearing it that day - which is what you are saying isn't it?
So I am not sure you can use this as a basis of evidence that he was ' only ' speaking to the twelve at the time, unless you don't believe that the Holy Spirit came to Paul on the Damascus road!!
Rita

Hello @Butterfly,
With respect, the fact that the promise of the comforter was made to the Apostles themselves is a a matter of record, and is therefore incontrovertible (John 14:16; John 14:26; John 15:26; John 16:7).

That the Apostle Paul received of the Holy Spirit is also a matter of record (Acts 9:17): as did Cornelius and the other Gentiles for whom the door to the Kingdom was opened by Peter at God's direction (Acts 10); and upon all who believe on the Lord Jesus, and are saved by God's grace.

The Holy Spirit is called the Holy Spirit of promise, because He was promised, but also that He is the seal of God's promise to every believer. (Ephesians 1:13)

Praise God!

 

[farouk]

Hello @Butterfly,
With respect, the fact that the promise of the comforter was made to the Apostles themselves is a a matter of record, and is therefore incontrovertable.

That the Apostle Paul received of the Holy Spirit is also a matter of record, as did Cornellius and the other Gentiles for whom the door to the Kingdom was opened by Peter at God's direction. Many others too.

The Holy Spirit is called the Holy Spirit of promise, because He was promised, but also that He is the seal of God's promise to every believer.

Praise God!

Yes, and Romans 8 says, 'if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His'.

 

[bbyrd009]

We can also look at chapter 1

priceless

so then who is not really even here do you think, you or me?

He starts off the letter contrasting the WE with YOU and YOUR.

ha well you say "contrasting" but I Read "comparing" myself, "the same things we got, you're gonna get," but bam read that as contrast if you like ok.

but I tend to believe he has all the apostles in mind.

i tend to believe you dont know what twelve even means yet, and that no one will be able to show you right now anyway

 

[charity]

'But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
.. "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God,
.... I will pour out of My Spirit upon all flesh:
...... and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
........ and your young men shall see visions,
.......... and your old men shall dream dreams:
And on My servants and on My handmaidens
.. I will pour out in those days of My Spirit;
.... and they shall prophesy:
And I will shew wonders in heaven above,
.. and signs in the earth beneath;
.... blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
...... The sun shall be turned into darkness,
........ and the moon into blood,
.......... before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
And it shall come to pass,
.. whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.'
(Acts 2:16-21)

Hello again,

The Holy Spirit, through Peter, told those who witnessed the manifestations of the Holy Spirit taking place at that feast of Pentecost, just what they signified, in the words quoted above. They heralded the end of that 'age', and the coming of the Lord. All that was required was Israel's repentance for it to take place (Acts 3:19-20). The preaching and the miraculous signs and wonders, were all to that end. When Israel failed to repent throughout the approx. 40 years of the Acts period, then they went away into the blindness of unbelief, and remain there to this day. Awaiting a yet future fulfilment of this prophecy.

But for the Apostles to whom the promise of the Comforter was given, it was the endowment of power from on high for the ministry they were about to embark on, for which, the Holy Spirit would equip them, by bringing to their remembrance all that the Lord Jesus Christ had done and said, convict the world of sin and of righteousness, and testify concerning the Lord Jesus Christ. God confirming their ministry with signs and wonders.

'How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation;
.. which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,
.... and was confirmed unto us by them that heard Him;
God also bearing them witness,
.. both with signs and wonders,
.... and with divers miracles,
...... and gifts of the Holy Ghost,
........ according to His Own will?
(Hebrews 2:3-4)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[bbyrd009]

boy, if that wasn't spot on, too, huh? Better figure out who Israel is right quick I guess!
um, pretty much every "Christian" here is waiting for some future thingy too right

bc when the Bible says that is this, this is for sure going to be that huh

 

[bbyrd009]

And it shall come to pass,
.. whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.'
(Acts 2:16-21)

many will cry 'LordLord'

 

[bbyrd009]

They literally were ambassadors for Christ. 2 Cor 5:20 we are not.

see, your words are what will be used to judge you, ok, so please take just a moment to contemplate how sick you are going to be when these words are quoted back to you later, when it matters. And there aren't any trees left to hide behind

 

[charity]

boy, if that wasn't spot on, too, huh? Better figure out who Israel is right quick I guess!
um, pretty much every "Christian" here is waiting for some future thingy too right

bc when the Bible says that is this, this is for sure going to be that huh

Hi @bbyrd009,

Good to speak to you again.

Peter was in no doubt who, 'Israel', was: for he referred to them, as, 'ye men of Israel'. They were there for the feast of Pentecost, and there would not have been a gentile among them, except for proselytes maybe. They were congregated as men of the same blood, drawn from among the nations to celebrate this feast in Jerusalem, as part of the covenant made between them and God (Leviticus 20:22).

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[bbyrd009]

Hi @bbyrd009,

Good to speak to you again.

Peter was in no doubt who, 'Israel', was: for he referred to them, as, 'ye men of Israel'. They were there for the feast of Pentecost, and there would not have been a gentile among them, except for proselytes maybe.

aw, I feel bad for you charity, you are just so sure now and you refuse to see what your demeanor is going to turn to I guess huh, when you cant say a word and there is nowhere to run? Maybe if you lead harder, you could try that I guess.
Best of luck to you tho ok, honest

if you're ever of a mind to step down off that soapbox and walk together, lemme know though ok, I forgive you and I don't hold grudges or anything

 

[bbyrd009]

Presumption or unction? Most people are not apostles and most of them don't have the miraculous abilities to perform what men often call miracles.

I said "you are to be Elohim"
right.
Whosoever will, may come

 

[bbyrd009]

man, sad to come here and witness believers boiling in their own juices, and waiting for Jesus to do something else for them

 

[bbyrd009]

for the refusal of Israel to repent, made that instruction impossible at that time.

so, in this vein, i'd like to give you another shot at
No Son of Man may die for another's sins
No one has ever gone up to heaven
There is only One Immortal,

charity, just specifically since you said that.
let's see if you know what it actually means iow
you wanna preach so bad, start preachin!