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Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by iesous, Mar 3, 2009.

  1. iesous

    iesous New Member

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    Most of the readers of the New Testament like to ignore the mentioned 2 JESUS
    11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. ​
    Can you list the differences between these 2 JESUS?Which of them are you worshipping?Have your pastor told you how to distinguish them?Why Paul did not mentioned their difference?If you look at the KJV of the year 1611 you should find another onessee hereDo you like to ignore this fact?
     
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    QUOTE (iesous @ Mar 3 2009, 01:00 PM)
    Most of the readers of the New Testament like to ignore the mentioned 2 JESUS
    11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth ANOTHER JESUS, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. ​
    Can you list the differences between these 2 JESUS?Which of them are you worshipping?Have your pastor told you how to distinguish them?Why Paul did not mentioned their difference?If you look at the KJV of the year 1611 you should find another ones[url="http://www.nla.gov.au/pub/nlanews/2002/mar02/article2.html]see here[/url]Do you like to ignore this fact?
    There is only one Jesus and this passage does not say otherwise. Paul is addressing false teaching which represents Jesus in the wrong way. The Jesus that false prophets are talking about does not exist in reality. He is just a false representation of the real one.Later in the same chapter he writes: 12And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. ( 2 Corinthians 11)False teachers have always been there, misrepresenting Christ in order to discredit him and lead the faithful astray.
    1 John 2: 18Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. 20But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. 21I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also. ​
     
  3. iesous

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    There is only one Jesus and this passage does not say otherwise. Paul is addressing false teaching which represents Jesus in the wrong way. The Jesus that false prophets are talking about does not exist in reality. He is just a false representation of the real one.​
    'JESUS' was not a name reserved to just one person only
    Coloss 4:11 and Jesus who is called Justus. These [are my] only fellow workers for the kingdom of God who are of the circumcision; they have proved to be a comfort to me. ​
    Certainly, Josephus mentioned many person with that 'JESUS'In acts 19 the exorcists made clear that existed another 'JESUS', as they said: 'Jesus whom Paul preacheth'
    ACTS 19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. 19:14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?​
    Paul was clear enough in 2 Corinthius 11:4 as he said 'another Jesus whom we have not preached'and simple enough 'JESUS' IS NOT A HEBREW NAME
     
  4. Jordan

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    QUOTE (iesous @ Mar 5 2009, 05:49 AM)
    There is only one Jesus and this passage does not say otherwise. Paul is addressing false teaching which represents Jesus in the wrong way. The Jesus that false prophets are talking about does not exist in reality. He is just a false representation of the real one.​
    'JESUS' was not a name reserved to just one person only
    Colossians 4:11 and Jesus who is called Justus. These [are my] only fellow workers for the kingdom of God who are of the circumcision; they have proved to be a comfort to me. ​
    Certainly, Josephus mentioned many person with that 'JESUS'In acts 19 the exorcists made clear that existed another 'JESUS', as they said: 'Jesus whom Paul preacheth'
    Acts 19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. 19:14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?​
    Paul was clear enough in 2 Corinthians 11:4 as he said 'another Jesus whom we have not preached'and simple enough 'JESUS' IS NOT A HEBREW NAME
    Yes, there is more than 1 person named "Jesus", however Dunamite is right about what Paul says. Nowhere in the bible says that Paul (and the others) preached another "Jesus" other than the Lord Jesus Christ, the son of the Living God. Paul the apostle of Christ only preached Lord Jesus Christ.
     
  5. iesous

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    QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 5 2009, 01:38 PM)
    Yes, there is more than 1 person named "Jesus", however Dunamite is right about what Paul says. Nowhere in the bible says that Paul (and the others) preached another "Jesus" other than the Lord Jesus Christ, the son of the Living God. Paul the apostle of Christ only preached Lord Jesus Christ.
    You must read the passage again
    2 Corinthians 11:4 ei men gar {FOR IF INDEED} o {HE THAT} ercomenoV {COMES} allon {ANOTHER} Ihsoun {IESOUS} khrussei {PROCLAIMS} on {WHOM} ouk ekhruxamen {WE DID NOT PROCLAIM,} ... kalwV {WELL} hneicesqe {WERE YE BEARING WITH [IT].} ​
     
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    there is one Jesus Christ one son of God one savior .... There is one who will be a fake claiming to be christ ...he is THE ANTICHRIST better known to us as Satan .... .... The fact Jesus was a common name means nothing ...There is only one Jesus the Christ the Messiah .......And Dunamite has the verse's right
     
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    QUOTE (Christina @ Mar 5 2009, 04:10 PM)
    there is one Jesus Christ one son of God one savior .... There is one who will be a fake claiming to be christ ...he is THE ANTICHRIST better known to us as Satan .... .... The fact Jesus was a common name means nothing ...There is only one Jesus the Christ the Messiah .......And Dunamite has the verse's right
    In the passage Paul did not mention 'CHRIST' nor 'antichrist', certainly he never mentioned 'JESUS', but 'IESOUS' which is a very different name; you must open you eyes, 'JESUS' was not known to Paul, the 48 translators of the KJV 1611 did not know 'JESUS' either, [​IMG]
     
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    QUOTE (iesous @ Mar 5 2009, 03:53 PM)
    QUOTE (Christina @ Mar 5 2009, 02:10 PM)
    there is one Jesus Christ one son of God one savior .... There is one who will be a fake claiming to be christ ...he is THE ANTICHRIST better known to us as Satan .... .... The fact Jesus was a common name means nothing ...There is only one Jesus the Christ the Messiah .......And Dunamite has the verse's right
    In the passage Paul did not mention 'CHRIST' nor 'antichrist', certainly he never mentioned 'JESUS', but 'IESOUS' which is a very different name; you must open you eyes, 'JESUS' was not known to Paul, the 48 translators of the KJV 1611 did not know 'JESUS' either, [​IMG]Yahshua / Yahushua, (Hebrew / Aramaic) Iesous (Greek) Iesus (Latin) Jesus (English)What does it matter? English came out much later. So it has to be translated to English speaking people. It doesn't matter if Paul doesn't know the English word "Jesus". It still translated from Iesous. But it doesn't the fact that Paul was still preaching Jesus Christ, the Son of God. I get the feeling you are causing a division over a word that the Apostles and others alike doesn't know, which is obvious an English word. (AKA:Jesus) But I agree the 1611 version of KJV had the Latin spelling of Christ (Iesus).
     
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    QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 5 2009, 06:48 PM)
    In the passage Paul did not mention 'CHRIST' nor 'antichrist', certainly he never mentioned 'JESUS', but 'IESOUS' which is a very different name; you must open you eyes, 'JESUS' was not known to Paul, the 48 translators of the KJV 1611 did not know 'JESUS' either, [​IMG]Yahshua / Yahushua, (Hebrew / Aramaic) Iesous (Greek) Iesus (Latin) Jesus (English)What does it matter? English came out much later. So it has to be translated to English speaking people. It doesn't matter if Paul doesn't know the English word "Jesus". It still translated from Iesous. But it doesn't the fact that Paul was still preaching Jesus Christ, the Son of God. I get the feeling you are causing a division over a word that the Apostles and others alike doesn't know, which is obvious an English word. (AKA:Jesus) But I agree the 1611 version of KJV had the Latin spelling of Christ (Iesus).
    1 Names are NOT TRANSLATED
    a- What 'Reagan' is translated into Spanish?​
    b- What 'Hitler' is translated into Spanish?​
    2 'IESOUS' was not a greek name, but a HEBREW name
    Justin First Apology 33:7 And the name Iesous in the Hebrew language means Soter (Saviour) in the Greek tongue. ​
    Philo of Alexandria
    XXI. (121) Thus much we have thought fit to say on this subject. But, moreover, Mouses also changes the name of Auses into that of Iesous; displaying by his new name the distinctive qualities of his character; (122) for the name Auses is interpreted, "what sort of a person is this?" but Iesous means "the salvation of the Lord,"(Iesous soteria kuriou) being the name of the most excellent possible character; ​
    In the Book of Acts is recorded that 'IESOUS' was a hebrew name, the same as 'SAOUL'
    Acts 26:14 pantwn de {And all} katapesontwn {having fallen down} hmwn {of us} eiV {to} thn {the} ghn {ground} hkousa {I heard} fwnhn {a voice} lalousan {speaking} proV {to} me {me} kai {and} legousan {saying} th {in the} ebraidi dialektw {hebrew dialecto,} Saoul {Saoul,} Saoul {Saoul,} ti {why} me {me} diwkeiV {persecutest thou} sklhron {hard} soi {for thee} proV {against} kentra {goads} laktizein {to kick.} Acts 26:15 egw de {and I} eipon {said,} tiV {who} ei {art thou,} kurie {lord?} o {and} de {he} eipen {said,} egw {I} eimi {am} IhsouV {Iesous} on {whom} su {thou} diwkeiV {persecutest:} ​
     
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