23 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine!

[WPM]

Thinking the attack by Gog in Ezekiel 38 to 39, is the same as in Revelation 20:7-10, displays a serious lack of understanding and even an inability to properly read what is Written.
Gog/Magog is used in the final showdown, as an example of a huge, uncountable army, from all around the world.
Plainly not the same as described in Ezekiel, they come from the far reaches of the North.

Yaa-dee-daa-dee-daa.

 

[robert derrick]

You do not even believe that the earth is cursed since the Fall.

Of course not. Man falls by sinning. Not grass and rocks and trees, where the deer and the antelope play.

ALso, the flesh is as grass and is still mortal because Christ has made all flesh mortal as grass.

Your OSAS sin nature birth is nothing but excuse for your to keep on sinning with the flesh, rather than repent and do His righteousness.

It seems like you have a mega issue with what is in the Word.

Your word is nothing to me.

I never heard anything so ridiculous in my life. The link between the creature and creation is unquestionable.

Only in the creatures needing to eat food and drink water and breathe air of the creation.

Otherwise, the creation doesn't care one bit about the creatures, because the creation has no spirit, mind, nor thought.

Nor does is do good nor evil, but just exists naturally.

When man fell then all creation experienced the consequences and fell with him.

Just another lying tradition of Christian religion, that has nothing to do with Scripture of God.

Genesis 3:17-19 confirms this, when God tells Adam, “Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee.”

If this were true of the ground itself being cursed, then there would never be anything on earth but thorns and thistles.

It is man that sows and waters, and it is God that gives the increase, whether to bless or curse the ground.

The ground is not cursed, but it is the product of toil that is cursed or blessed by God for man's sake.

To take the phrase “for your sake” from the Hebrew word ‛âbûr meaning “because of you” or “on your account,” s

No ground is cursed for the ground's sake, but for man's sake.

Your personalizing of the planet is pagan spiritism. There is no Gaia mother earth, nor Demeter of the harvest.

Nor will there ever be one, including the new earth.

The fate of man and creation are therefore carefully joined together.

True, without air and water living creatures die.

There is no such thing as fate of man. Man chooses to do good or evil.

Being born with the fate of sin nature is the cursed doctrine of hypocrites, that blame their natural bodies for sinning with them against God.

It is then that He will destroy this swiftly decaying arrangement and replace it with a new economy.

Economy schelonomy.

You really do think scholar-speak means something important.

We believe that both the wicked (in total) and the righteous (in total) are raised and judged at the second coming and that each receives their eternal destiny at that time. The ark door is finally closed. At His coming, Christ finally and eternally destroys the curse by removing every semblance of the bondage of corruption from creation. The fiery conflagration regenerates this earth and restores it to it pristine pre-fall state. It is cleansed of every impurity and renewed to a glorified state. This current earth will experience the same deliverance from the curse that the elect do upon His return. The earth will be changed in a similar way that our corrupt mortal bodies will. This corruptible earth will indeed put on incorruption.

Romans 8:16-23 declares, “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption [Gr. phthartos or decay] into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.”

Both the creature and creation are waiting for “the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body” – or resurrection day. This is the day when both will be finally delivered from the aforementioned “bondage of corruption.”

Scripture makes it abundantly clear there will be an end to the current fallen state. There will be a day of complete deliverance.

At this juncture we must briefly enquire, what is this “bondage of corruption” spoken of in this passage that will one day be removed? It is the awful curse that came upon all mankind as a result of Adam’s fall in the Garden of Eden. This curse embodies every effect of the fall that afflicts man, including sin, death, and every form of decay.

It must also be noted, that the reference relating to those who desire deliverance from the present condition of “the bondage of corruption” is not restricted to the redeemed of God alone (those who “have the firstfruits of the Spirit”). The hope is more comprehensive. This passage tells us that the whole of creation is yearning for this monumental change. This only goes to show that all creation doesn’t simply experience the reality and awful cost of the fall, but that it yearns for relief from its corrosive clutches through its continuation.

When, then, will this perpetual groaning and travailing of all “creation” in pain, for the expressed reason of the continued existence of the awful “bondage of corruption” within “the creature,” actually be finally assuaged?

This approaching change occurs at the one final future coming of Christ – the day of redemption. It is only then that the “sons of God” are finally glorified, and therefore totally and eternally delivered from this continuing “bondage of corruption” into the “glorious liberty of the children of God.” Then, all redeemed creation will be transformed from corruption to incorruption. The time of the “redemption of our body” is the time that sees creation finally and eternally delivered from bondage. This is glorification. This is shown in the whole thrust and context of the introductory verses to this reference, where Paul was talking about man’s great deliverance. He is talking about the saints being “glorified” (v 17) at His return and describing it as “the glory which shall be revealed in us” (v 18).

This reading clearly locates the anticipated glorification feat to the day of redemption when Christ rescues His elect from this sin-cursed world. It is this concluding event that finally witnesses the entire elect of God of all time secure the last aspect of the redemptive process – the “redemption” of their bodies. It is this last day that sees the glorious “manifestation of the sons of God” (v 19) or “the glorious liberty of the children of God” (v 21). This event also sees to removal of everything that is in rebellion to God or does not belong to God.

More of the same old mantra, that you love writing or pasting, to just to hear yourself talk. I glance over it and move on.

 

[robert derrick]

You know you haven't. If you are telling the truth, give us the post.

Once I learned you are nothing but a proselytizer to some little amil camp of yours, I have nothing for you.

You care nothing about the Millennium nor Scripture, but only about the pride of trying to convert Christians to your own little world.

As well as the intellectual stimulation of meaningless scholarly displays.

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called.

 

[WPM]

Your OSAS sin nature birth is nothing but excuse for your to keep on sinning with the flesh, rather than repent and do His righteousness.

Your word is nothing to me.

Just another lying tradition of Christian religion, that has nothing to do with Scripture of God.

You really do think scholar-speak means something important.

More of the same old mantra, that you love writing or pasting, to just to hear yourself talk. I glance over it and move on.

You do not seem to have any rebuttals to the biblical arguments presented, only offensive ad hominem.

Denying original sin and eternal life exposes your position.

 

[WPM]

Once I learned you are nothing but a proselytizer to some little amil camp of yours, I have nothing for you.

You care nothing about the Millennium nor Scripture, but only about the pride of trying to convert Christians to your own little world.

As well as the intellectual stimulation of meaningless scholarly displays.

O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called.

If you had addressed this you would have been happy to share the link. If you had a viable answer you would advance it.

I will again highlight the elephant in the room that you are uncomfortable to deal with:

Do you believe your millennial earth will flee away after Satan's little season?

Then, any mortals and any glorified saints will have to be raptured and resurrected to be taken to a brand new earth.

 

[robert derrick]

Denying original sin and eternal life exposes your position.

This is why you are not taken seriously. You state things purposely ignorant from what others say. It's like you think you score points by doing so. it's all just a silly game for you.

 

[robert derrick]

Do you believe your millennial earth will flee away after Satan's little season?

Then, any mortals and any glorified saints will have to be raptured and resurrected to be taken to a brand new earth.

The people of the Millennium will be resurrected with the rest of the dead, that were not blessed to be in the first resurrection of the church.

Some will be resurrected unto life with the first resurrected saints, and many unto shame in the LOF.

 

[WPM]

Do you believe your millennial earth will flee away after Satan's little season?

Then, any mortals and any glorified saints will have to be raptured and resurrected to be taken to a brand new earth.

The people of the Millennium will be resurrected with the rest of the dead, that were not blessed to be in the first resurrection of the church.

Some will be resurrected unto life with the first resurrected saints, and many unto shame in the LOF.

You are clearly uncomfortable with this issue. However, I will pursue.

For the mortals that you claim will get saved during your supposed future millennium, do you believe they will all be glorified when Satan's little season is over? Are those who are supposedly saved in that period and are alive when the earth flees away glorified, raptured and transferred to your supposed brand-new earth? Are those who are supposedly saved in that period and die before the earth flees away resurrected, glorified, and transferred to your supposed brand-new earth?

 

[WPM]

This is why you are not taken seriously. You state things purposely ignorant from what others say. It's like you think you score points by doing so. it's all just a silly game for you.

How long does salvation last according to the Bible?

 

[WPM]

Once I learned you are nothing but a proselytizer to some little amil camp of yours, I have nothing for you.

It is infantile comments like this that expose your approach. You have no response because you have no response. Why not be honest with those watching on? They can see your uncomfortableness with simple questions and your continual avoidance.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

In your opinion.

Just read the wars, who is involved, when each occurs as written, the allies of Gog and Magog and the results after the battle. It takes a whole lot of Scripture twisting to say that both Gog wars are the same given the description god gave for each and how different they end up.

so no, it is not my opinion, but simply declaring the Word of God as God inspired it.

 

[Keraz]

Yaa-dee-daa-dee-daa.

Talking about infantile comments........

I have proved you wrong; what else are you wrong about? Go away and cease your pushing of the AMill, false doctrine.

 

[WPM]

Talking about infantile comments........

I have proved you wrong; what else are you wrong about? Go away and cease your pushing of the AMill, false doctrine.

The only thing you have proved is that you refuse to take the second coming passages literally as they read.

 

[WPM]

Just read the wars, who is involved, when each occurs as written, the allies of Gog and Magog and the results after the battle. It takes a whole lot of Scripture twisting to say that both Gog wars are the same given the description god gave for each and how different they end up.

so no, it is not my opinion, but simply declaring the Word of God as God inspired it.

The synonymous parallelism in Revelation all culminates at the climactic return of Christ that sees the destruction of the wicked and the destruction of this fallen creation.

 

[Keraz]

The only thing you have proved is that you refuse to take the second coming passages literally as they read.

The 3 proof texts which describe the glorious Return are: Zechariah 14:4, Matthew 24:29-30, Revelation 19:11 They are literal.
By the time Jesus is seen, all the wrath of God and the Lamb, is over. Revelation 15:1

 

[Truth7t7]

Just read the wars, who is involved, when each occurs as written, the allies of Gog and Magog and the results after the battle. It takes a whole lot of Scripture twisting to say that both Gog wars are the same given the description god gave for each and how different they end up.

so no, it is not my opinion, but simply declaring the Word of God as God inspired it.

Armageddon & Gog/Magog, Is The Same Battle In Parallel Teachings

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[WPM]

The 3 proof texts which describe the glorious Return are: Zechariah 14:4, Matthew 24:29-30, Revelation 19:11 They are literal.
By the time Jesus is seen, all the wrath of God and the Lamb, is over. Revelation 15:1

Not so! You refuse to correlate Zechariah 14 with Revelation 20 because they do not fit. You are adding 2+2 and getting 22.

 

[WPM]

This is why you are not taken seriously. You state things purposely ignorant from what others say. It's like you think you score points by doing so. it's all just a silly game for you.

You speak for no one else but yourself. That is it! Your hurl insults because that is all you have. You lack simple biblical answers to simple biblical questions.

 

[Keraz]

Not so! You refuse to correlate Zechariah 14 with Revelation 20 because they do not fit. You are adding 2+2 and getting 22.

False accusation.

Zechariah 14 is a sequence of events:
Zechariah 14:1-2 will happen 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns. When Satan is thrown out of heaven; Revelation 12:7-9, and he conquers the holy people of God. Daniel 7:25, Rev 13:5-8

Zechariah 14:3-5, is the battle of Armageddon and the glorious Return of Jesus.

Zechariah 14:6-11, & 16-21 describes the Millennium reign of King Jesus for the thousand years.
Zechariah 14:6-10; refers back to Armageddon.

It is your addition that is bad. You reject the truth of God's 7000 year Plan for mankind. An obvious fact , proved by hindsight of the nearly 6000 years from Adam until now.

 

[WPM]

False accusation.

Zechariah 14 is a sequence of events:
Zechariah 14:1-2 will happen 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns. When Satan is thrown out of heaven; Revelation 12:7-9, and he conquers the holy people of God. Daniel 7:25, Rev 13:5-8

Zechariah 14:3-5, is the battle of Armageddon and the glorious Return of Jesus.

Zechariah 14:6-11, & 16-21 describes the Millennium reign of King Jesus for the thousand years.
Zechariah 14:6-10; refers back to Armageddon.

It is your addition that is bad. You reject the truth of God's 7000 year Plan for mankind. An obvious fact , proved by hindsight of the nearly 6000 years from Adam until now.

That is simply not true. You have been unable to do any comparison between both passages. Zechariah 14 makes no reference to your so-called future millennium and all the false beliefs you force into Revelation 20. You have nothing.

What is more, Satan has also been long cast down. Christ predicted shortly before He destroyed the power of Satan at the cross, in John 12:30-33: “Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. This he said, signifying what death he should die.”

Christ’s death, burial and resurrection were the decisive blows against Satan. His defeat has already been wrought. This passage plainly shows the powerful result of Calvary and the deep impact it had upon Satan. It shows us that Satan is now under Christ’s feet and is now subject to His Sovereign will. Satan and his minions are barred from heaven. They have been banished after they were defeated 2,000 years ago.

Before being cast out of heaven through Christ’s victorious assault on his kingdom the devil had access to both heaven and earth. He had the ability to come before God to accuse the brethren of their sins. When he was cast down he no longer had access to heaven but only to earth.

Your struggle is not with Amils. It is with Scripture.

As for "God's 7000 year Plan for mankind" i have asked you for Scripture that teaches this for years and you have provided nothing. That is because it is your plan. It is your invention.