23 major reasons to reject the Premil doctrine!

[robert derrick]

• is quickly broken as the slaughter truck roar up from the temple.

To the temple.

• The Zadok priests quickly jump out and drag the unsuspecting animals aboard who had been lulled into a false-sense of security by Christ’s rod of iron rule.

And so, here we have it. An animal rights' activist, that says animals are people too.

This is the same condemnation they have for the OT sacrifices.

• As the truck speeds off the millennial peace and harmony is broken forever by the bloody intent of the Zadok priests.

They accuse the God of Israel being bloody intended. As well as Moses' wife Zipporah.

• When they arrive in Jerusalem they pointlessly slit the throats of the lambs, goats and bullocks because they are somehow needed as sin offerings,

And so, the King's sacrifices are pointless.

No doubt, some will say the same, who go not up for the feast of tabernacles.

 

[robert derrick]

• even though Jesus had made the final sacrifice for sin thousands of years previous.

I thought there was a salvation doctrine in all this: OSAS.

The Lord made His one and only sacrifice for our sins on His cross.

We must sacrifice our old life on our own cross, in order to be saved and justified by Him.

Scripture declares that the blood of bulls and goats cannot possibly purify the soul and conscience, but no Scripture declares such sacrifices to be sinful, nor forbidden on earth.

Like the Christmas tree, so long as we don't worship it, or believe there is a spirit in it it, then no problem with it.

 

[robert derrick]

• then there must be (of necessity) another rapture and glorification i

No rapture is needed for resurrection.

There will be no second rapture, because there will be no 3rd coming of the Lord to earth.

The righteous saints saved during His Millennium will be resurrected with the rest of the dead, unto life being found written in the Lamb's book.

Symbolizers lose any literal sense of Scripture.

Premillennialists have to insert “a thousand years” in passage after passage where it does not exist.

This is getting too blind by far.

God inserts one thousand years 6 times in 7 of His Scriptures in Rev 20.

This is called adding unto Scripture, something forbidden in the Word of God (Deuteronomy 12:32 and Revelation 22:18).

Uninserting words of Scripture, by making them symbol only, is taking away from Scripture.

As Kim Riddlebarger says: “Their own hermeneutics will not bear the weight that is assigned to it … they cannot make good on their own stated hermeneutics”

Kim Riddleburger? Who's that?

I don't even have a hermenootics, and don't want one. Sounds like a disease.

 

[WPM]

True. It's called cleansing the earth of the wicked, and the earth being ruled by one King, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Never been done before, though prophesied of since 1st Chron.

This is not the reality in Rev 20. It is populated by numerous wicked mortals - as the sand of the sea - that overrun in at the end. To have Jesus reign physically over the nations with a rod of iron in power and glory for a thousand years, and then see Satan so easily and decisively snatch it from him is quite inconceivable. To imagine that Satan has the power to undo 1,000 yrs of perfect rule and authority upon the new earth in such a swift overwhelming way must put a major question mark over the validity of such a belief.

The ease that the devil acquires the upper hand on Christ (in this belief) on the new earth is alarming. This is such a turn-around from the invincible picture portrayed by Premillennialism of Christ’s glorious righteous rule. Satan’s assault is so sudden and successful that he gains the immediate and wholesale allegiance of billions of millennial inhabitants. This is certainly incredible by any standard of analyze. One is left asking an another obvious question: how does the millennial kingdom so easily fall apart when Jesus has established such a victorious reign for one thousand years? This can be viewed as nothing less than a complete collapse of the millennial period of influence.

This mammoth military coup that sees countless millions (as the sand of the sea) turn their back on Christ and rally to the enemy’s cause, resulting in them assaulting the camp of the saints in incalculable numbers, is hard to accept in the light of what the second coming portrays of Christ. Frankly, there seems absolutely no great eternal purpose for Christ to come in power and glory to set up a temporal earthly kingdom that will one day be so forcefully reversed by the evil designs of Satan. I just don’t see any rationale in this. I don’t see this happening. The Bible constantly portrays the kingdom that Christ introduces when He appears as a powerful, glorious and an eternal arrangement in which all evil and rebel and corruption is eradicate. Christ is shown to eternally reign upon a glorified perfect earth with those who the Father has given Him in all eternity with unchallenged glory.

If the millennial kingdom is what Premillennialism says ‘a blanket submission of the nations to the righteous rule of Christ’ then this collapse is even more remarkable. By sheer numbers alone, Satan is able to exert much more influence in such a quick time than Jesus did in one thousand years of righteous governing. This overthrow of the divine work that Christ has built up is undone in lightning time – Scripture describing it as “a little season.” I feel this is one of the most difficult issues to accept for Amils and Postmils with Premil. It is one that lacks any other scriptural corroboration. It paints Satan as stronger than Jesus, whereas Scripture shows Christ as the one who is in the ascendency when He arrives. Satan gains the ascendency at the end, and Christ and God’s people are shown to be major on the defense. This overthrow is one of the most amazing and startling turn-a-rounds in recorded history. Christ righteous millennial reign collapses and is seemingly left in tatters.

 

[WPM]

Scripture declares that the blood of bulls and goats cannot possibly purify the soul and conscience, but no Scripture declares such sacrifices to be sinful, nor forbidden on earth.

Is this practiced under the old covenant, the new covenant or a new old covenant?

 

[WPM]

No rapture is needed for resurrection.

There will be no second rapture, because there will be no 3rd coming of the Lord to earth.

The righteous saints saved during His Millennium will be resurrected with the rest of the dead, unto life being found written in the Lamb's book.

Do you believe your millennial earth will flee away after Satan's little season? Then, any mortals and any glorified saints will have to be raptured and resurrected to be taken to a brand new earth.

God inserts one thousand years 6 times in 7 of His Scriptures in Rev 20.

I have already addressed this. This is the most figurative book in the Bible. There are 10 horns mentioned 6 time in Revelation. That does not make them literal. They represent rulers. There are 7 heads mentioned 5 time in Revelation. That does not make them literal. They represent kingdoms. Babylon is mentioned 6 time in Revelation. That does not make it literal. It is mystery spiritual Babylon. The dragon is mentioned 12 time in Revelation. That does not make it literal. It is symbol of the devil.

You do not seem to understand apocalyptic language.

Uninserting words of Scripture, by making them symbol only, is taking away from Scripture.

You totally ducked around the issue of you forcing 1000 years into every single climactic passage in Scripture. You obviously have no answer fro that. This is forbidden in Scripture, yet you continually do this.

 

[WPM]

To the temple.


And so, here we have it. An animal rights' activist, that says animals are people too.

This is the same condemnation they have for the OT sacrifices.


They accuse the God of Israel being bloody intended. As well as Moses' wife Zipporah.


And so, the King's sacrifices are pointless.

No doubt, some will say the same, who go not up for the feast of tabernacles.

Where do you find all this in Rev 20 or any NT Scripture? Nowhere! As is common with your doctrine: you force it all into Scripture. It is fake news. You promote the full restoration of the old covenant sacrifices:

· The “meat offering” – Ezekiel 42:13, 44:29, 45:15, 17, 24, 25, 46:5, 7, 11, 14, 15, 20.
· The “sin offering” – Ezekiel 40:39, 42:13, 19, 21, 22, 25, 44:27, 29, 45:17, 19, 22, 23, 25, 46:20.
· The “trespass offering” – Ezekiel 40:39, 42:13, 44:29, 46:20.
· The “burnt offerings” – Ezekiel 40:38, 39, 42, 43:18, 24, 27, 44:11, 45:15, 17, 23, 25, 46:2, 4, 12, 13, 15.
· The “peace offerings” – Ezekiel 43:27, 45:15, 17, 46:2, 12.
· The “drink offerings” – Ezekiel 45:17.

What does the cross lack that necessitates the reintroduction of multiple "sin offerings" and "trespass offerings"? Is Christ’s sinless life, atoning death and glorious resurrection not enough for you? Was it not perfect enough, not satisfactory enough, and not final enough?

John 1:29 records: “John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.”

Hebrews 9:26: "put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

1 John 3:5 confirms: “And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.”

1 John 1:7: "the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

This is an ongoing effectual covenant that enables man to be forgiven.

Revelation 1:5 tells us that Christ “washed us from our sins in his own blood.”

The Levitical sacrifices could not put away sin. They continued for thousands of years involving innumerable sacrifices, but they did not remove one single sin. But the cross of Christ put away all the sin of God’s redeemed.

Hebrews 8:12 also says about repentant sinners: “their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.”

Not only does He forgive our sin but He forgets about it. That is amazing! Your sin is erased from His understanding.

 

[WPM]

What a wish.

In Matthew 28:19-20 Christ instructs His disciples: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the age [Gr. or aion].”

Jesus, here, outlines the great commission and then gives His disciples a pledge that He will be with them until it is fulfilled at the end of the age. The Lord has promised that He would be faithful to His Church right up until the end. He would not leave or forsake His people. The presence and help of Christ with His people are carefully connected to the spread of the Gospel in this age. That partnership is shown to last until the end. He is here now with His people to use their weak efforts in the great commission for the extension of His kingdom. And He uses their voice and their feet for His glory.

We should carefully note that the conclusion of the evangelisation of the nations is identified with the end of this current age. This perfectly correlates with the teaching of the parables. The conclusion of the spread of the Gospel to “all nations” sees the collective judging of “all nations” immediately following. Christ gives no promise of His assistance, favour or empowerment after this, as some would try and suggest. In fact, there is no hope given to the godly after the ark door is finally closed at His return.

It is clear to see, the presence and help of Christ with His people are carefully connected to the spread of the Gospel in this age. That partnership is shown to last until the end of this age. He is here now with his people to use their puny efforts in the great commission for the extension of his kingdom. And He uses their voice and their feet for His glory.

Would Preterists really argue that our Lord was only with His people up until AD70? Such a proposition is ridiculous! Every fair-minded Bible student knows, this promise relates to Christ’s faithfulness right up until His glorious return.

Johnathan Menn explains: “The responsibility of the Great Commission - to teach a nurse lost souls – was commensurate with that era preceding “the end of the world [age]” (Matthew 28:18–20). If “the end of the world [age]” occurred in AD70 then the Lord’s commission is valid no longer. This conclusion of course, is absurd” (Biblical Eschatology).

The second coming brings a close to the day of salvation. A sign of the end is the preaching of the Gospel message in the whole world.

Jesus makes clear (and unambiguously) in Matthew 24:14: “this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end (or telos) come.”

This couldn’t be clearer! Now is man's only hope of salvation. The whole wider redemptive history of mankind is encompassed between Adam and the second coming of the second Adam. The period that we are currently in today is the day of grace (the day of salvation). Jesus is not coming again as Savior but as Judge. Premils and Preterists do not believe that “the end” refers to the end. The phrase “the end” here refers to the conclusion or the completion.

2 Peter 3:3-13 shows the following happening at “His coming” (parousia):

1. The heavens shall pass away / perish with a great noise.
2. The elements shall be ‘loosed by being set on fire’,
3. The earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly.
4. The works that are within the earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly.

No one could surely deny the climatic detail that attends the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 3:14-15 then concludes: “Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation.”

Many Bible students seem to miss the fact that there is a termination point to the offer of salvation. 2 Peter 3:3-15 confirms that that will happen on the day of Christ’s return. Men must therefore be saved before the end or they will be destroyed. This fits tidily with Christ’s likening of this impending fiery day with Noah and Lot’s judgments. Scripture limits the offer of “salvation” to this side of the second coming. Once that great merciful ingathering has been completed God will then call time on this arrangement and call time on the wicked. His plan of salvation will then over.

Phillip Mauro puts it well in his book The Hope of Israel: “Manifestly, if this present day of salvation were to be followed by a day of glory, peace and prosperity for the earth, a day in which the entire Jewish nation and other nations as well, are to be saved, there would be no long suffering and mercy in prolonging the Saviour's absence; but just the reverse. The apostle's reason for the delay is valid only if the return of the Lord is to usher in the day of judgment, and if it coincides with ‘the coming of the day of God’.”

According to the repeated teaching of the New Testament, salvation is strictly limited to this Gospel period. We must recognize (as in Noah’s day), the longsuffering of God mentioned is carefully linked to the continued salvation of souls; the termination of God’s longsuffering sees the termination of the Gospel opportunity and consequently the salvation of souls. This occurs at the moment Christ unexpectedly comes to rescue His saints and destroys this present world along with the wicked. Christ’s Advent in glory is constantly depicted as the termination point for the wicked and their evil schemes. Speaking to the wicked, we learn, it is “after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God.” It is only the repentant soul that escapes the fiery destruction that falls at the end. The rest – those that possess an impenitent heart – are destroyed. This again demolishes another Premillennial theory, that of numerous and widespread salvation throughout the whole period of a supposed post-Second coming millennium.

Something wrong with that?

Because there is nowhere in Rev 20 that teaches that the millennium will be a perfect pristine paradise of peace and harmony. That is an invention of your yours that you add unto the sacred text. Please show it there if I am wrong.

 

[Keraz]

Because there is nowhere in Rev 20 that teaches that the millennium will be a perfect pristine paradise of peace and harmony. That is an invention of your yours that you add unto the sacred text. Please show it there if I am wrong.

Revelation 20:1-6 make it clear there WILL be a Millennium, and prophesies like Isaiah 33:20-24 and Micah 4:1-7 describe what it will be like.
Micah 4:7.....the Lord will be their King on Mt Zion, from that time forward and forever. [for the Millenium and then into Eternity.]

Regarding whether the end of the world comes at the glorious Return, that cannot be right, for if it was, then God will have failed in His desire to have a people, living as He designed them to be, for the final period of Sabbath rest.

 

[WPM]

Revelation 20:1-6 make it clear there WILL be a Millennium, and prophesies like Isaiah 33:20-24 and Micah 4:1-7 describe what it will be like.
Micah 4:7.....the Lord will be their King on Mt Zion, from that time forward and forever. [for the Millenium and then into Eternity.]

Regarding whether the end of the world comes at the glorious Return, that cannot be right, for if it was, then God will have failed in His desire to have a people, living as He designed them to be, for the final period of Sabbath rest.

Micah 4 relates to the last days as does Revelation 20. We have been in the last days since the early ministry of Christ.

 

[Keraz]

Micah 4 relates to the last days as does Revelation 20. We have been in the last days since the early ministry of Christ.

The last days refers to near or at the end of a time period, not to its entire time. You cannot make language mean whatever you want it to.

Micah 4:7.....the Lord will be their King on Mt Zion, from that time forward and forever. [for the Millenium and then into Eternity.
As Jesus has not yet Returned, this Prophecy remains to be fulfilled. In the future Millennium and then for Eternity.

 

[Timtofly]

The 6th Seal is the end of the world!

So the 7th Seal and Trumpets are part of the next world? I take it that the 6th Seal comes after the 7th Seal, the 7 Trumpets, and you are correcting John's chronology by putting the 6th Seal after every thing else including the 7 vials in Revelation 16. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Timtofly]

Micah 4 relates to the last days as does Revelation 20. We have been in the last days since the early ministry of Christ.

So it has only been a few days, and not almost 2,000 years? You call them days, humans call them a thousand years.

Then you turn around and reject the last day of the Lord.

How consistent can one be, claiming a few last days since the Cross, but fail to see they were 2, a thousand year periods?

2 days, 2 - 1,000 years. Then the Day of the Lord. The Lord comes to earth at the Second Coming, just as physically as the first coming. This time as King. Then He will reign for a day, but then you flip flop your day from 1,000 years to 24 hours. Certainly it has been longer than 48 hours since the Cross. It will be longer than 24 hours to when Jesus delivers the kingdom back to God.

You claim there were two last days between "advents", then you nix the third day, the Day of The Lord, between the Second Coming and the end.

Then again you totally ignore Peter in 2 Peter 3:8 when he says don't be ignorant and ignore the Day of the Lord.

Peter defines the Day with the Lord is 1,000 years. You agree the last 1992 years has been the last days, plural, 2 of them. Then you reverse that ignoring Peter, Paul, and Scripture there will be that final day of the Lord. That day comes with climactic destruction. Peter did not say after the Day of the Lord, or after the last days of the Lord. So all that destruction in 2 Peter 3 starts at the beginning of that last Day. And being with the Lord on earth is the whole purpose of a Second Coming. You concentrate all your eschatology on either indefinite time, which is useless, since you already acknowledged that we are in the last days. Or on the climactic start of the Day of the Lord, and declare it is at the end of the Day instead of the beginning of the Day.

I know last days is a figure of speech. The Day of the Lord is a figure of speech. One thousand years is the literal thought behind the Day of the Lord. Thousands of years is behind the point, the last days. When the NT was written, no author let on they knew it would be two thousand years. John was not guessing nor estimating, nor symbolizing the 1,000 years. Now almost 2,000 years later you should have more sense than those reading 2 Peter 3 in 100AD. The last days did not stop at the turn of the century for those early believers.

John gave a specific time. Peter gave a specific time. Paul did not say the second coming was the end. Paul said at the Second Coming, and then comes the end. I know you argue, "then cometh" does not say what is written. But the whole point of Jesus reigning until the end, does not complete with the Second Coming. The Cross, the Second Coming, and the end of John's 1,000 years is the entirety of Christ reigning. 3 times Jesus presents to God those who have been redeemed from the earth. The OT was a large group. The NT was an even larger group. The Day of the Lord will be the largest group yet. And each time people could choose to follow or reject God. No one was forced to comply. It is Satan who balks at free will and the ability of the sons of God to freely serve God. Of course God will reject those who reject God. The last group of rejectors will be consumed by fire.

People don't pass away like creation passes away. People are judged, and either with God or punished by God. Why would you assume those on earth do not move on into the new earth and keep on living? That is what happens to those in Paradise, the name changes to New Jerusalem, but they don't cease to exist just because there is a NHNE.

John was on the NE watching the New Jerusalem descend along with all the others who had lived on the earth, no? The kingdoms surrounded the New Jerusalem did not just magically, instantly appear. They had been around for the last 1,000 years. You claim all are dead. Then magically there are fully populated kingdoms, in an instant.

You have to insert your opinion into Revelation 20 through 22. You claim the whole earth rebels at the end. That is no where stated nor implied in those chapters. Nor does it say all on earth are consumed by fire any where in Scripture. That is another added Amil contradiction of Scripture. You say that the sword in the mouth is symbolic of all consuming fire. That still does not explain your magical repopulation of the kingdoms of earth.

"And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it."

This does not say a remnant of leftovers, nor implies a few. This is fully populated kingdoms and nations after the 1,000 year reign of Jesus on the earth.

 

[robert derrick]

This is not the reality in Rev 20. It is populated by numerous wicked mortals - as the sand of the sea - that overrun in at the end.

The earth will be populated greater than ever before under the rule and law of the King, without war nor trespassers going unpunished through corrupt laws, judges and politicians.

There will be plenty of people only obeying the law outwardly, and will be found out set free to do evil, only after Satan is loosed.

Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

 

[robert derrick]

To have Jesus reign physically over the nations with a rod of iron in power and glory for a thousand years, and then see Satan so easily and decisively snatch it from him is quite inconceivable.

This kind of mocking of Scripture and the King's power on earth, is obvious.

To imagine that Satan has the power to undo 1,000 yrs of perfect rule and authority upon the new earth in such a swift overwhelming way must put a major question mark over the validity of such a belief.

Scholar speak does not make anything true. This is putting forth prophesy of Scripture in a lying manner, in order to reject what is written.

Nothing done in the thousand years, is undone when the thousand years expires. The harvest of souls to Christ will still be resurrected with the rest of the dead, and be found in the Lamb's book of Life.

What we see here is not just unbelief in the Lord's Millennium, but openly lying about what Scripture says of it, and mocking it. I believe the reason is, because some Christians have the same wrong spirit of the Jews, who want a Messiah to come to earth and destroy all people, that are not like themselves.

But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

 

[robert derrick]

The Bible constantly portrays the kingdom that Christ introduces when He appears as a powerful, glorious and an eternal arrangement in which all evil and rebel and corruption is eradicate.

It's called His heavenly kingdom and eternal salvation, which is spiritual in heaven, and is not His rule on this earth.

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

Mixing earthly and heavenly things, is the natural theology of JW's.

Christ is shown to eternally reign upon a glorified perfect earth with those who the Father has given Him in all eternity with unchallenged glory.

This earth does not have a soul to be born again.

Nothing naturally created by God is perfect, whether the earth, stars, grass, and flesh of men and beasts.

On the new earth, there will be those forbidden entrance to the New Jerusalem and access to the healing leaves, except they repent.

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

If not, they will die off, and no more be among the saved nations.

The prophesy of a future born again utopian planet is false.

 

[robert derrick]

The ease that the devil acquires the upper hand on Christ (in this belief) on the new earth is alarming.

This is a lie against Jesus' ability to rule on earth.

how does the millennial kingdom so easily fall apart when Jesus has established such a victorious reign for one thousand years? This can be viewed as nothing less than a complete collapse of the millennial period of influence.

This is changing the truth of Scripture into a lie, by giving it another meaning it does not have.

Saying the Millennium of Christ will fall apart is false prophecy of Scripture, and an accusation against the Lord's power on earth.

Frankly, there seems absolutely no great eternal purpose for Christ to come in power and glory to set up a temporal earthly kingdom

There's no worth to Christ's Millennium, to those that are eager to see all flesh, other than their own, burnt up by fire from heaven.

There's something wrong with the spirit of someone that cares nothing for the prophesied Millennial harvest of souls.

If the millennial kingdom is what Premillennialism says ‘a blanket submission of the nations to the righteous rule of Christ’

More mockery and unbelief in Jesus' ability to rule on earth, with peace and law and prosperity.

then this collapse is even more remarkable. By sheer numbers alone, Satan is able to exert much more influence in such a quick time than Jesus did in one thousand years of righteous governing.

This is promotion of Satan over Jesus, in order to do away with the Lord's Millennium. And it is done by turning the truth of Scripture into a lie, by twisting it's plain meaning into something else.

This is not simple unbelief in certain prophecy of Scripture.

This overthrow of the divine work that Christ has built up is undone in lightning time

When someone does not believe in any divine work of Christ in His Millennium reign, then they freely speak of Satan being loosed, as proof of his power over Christ and His reign on earth.

– Scripture describing it as “a little season.” I feel this is one of the most difficult issues to accept for Amils and Postmils with Premil. It is one that lacks any other scriptural corroboration.

And so we see not only unbelief in Christ's Millennium, but also a rejection of simple words of Scripture.

This teaching we see here, is from unbelief in all Scripture of God.

When Scripture says the Word was God, there is no need for 'corroboration'. It stands on it's own, for them that believe all that is written of Christ in the Scriptures.

It's the same with Satan is loosed for a little season, for all that believe Scripture as written of His Millennium on earth.

It paints Satan as stronger than Jesus,

Unbelievers in Christ's Millennium and Scripture's plain words, not only paint it, but declare it, by changing Scripture into a lie.

whereas Scripture shows Christ as the one who is in the ascendency when He arrives. Satan gains the ascendency at the end, and Christ and God’s people are shown to be major on the defense. This overthrow is one of the most amazing and startling turn-a-rounds in recorded history. Christ righteous millennial reign collapses and is seemingly left in tatters.

This is false prophesy, based upon unbelief in the Scriptures, and changing the meaning of Scripture into a lie.

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Prophesy of a christ coming with fire down from heaven, is prophesied in Scripture as the last great false christ on earth.

And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.

Those who prophesy Jesus Christ's second coming and making fire come down from heaven, are prophesying the false christ to come.

 

[robert derrick]

Is this practiced under the old covenant, the new covenant or a new old covenant?

Under no covenant does any Scripture say it is a sin to shed the blood of bulls and goats.

Your mockery of doing so in service to the Lord, and accusing His priests of blood lust, is typical of animal rights' activism.

You also twist the meaning of Scripture, in order to promote Satan as more power than the Lamb of God ruling over the earth.

 

[robert derrick]

Do you believe your millennial earth will flee away after Satan's little season? Then, any mortals and any glorified saints will have to be raptured and resurrected to be taken to a brand new earth.

ALready answered.

I have already addressed this.

You don't address any point anyone else makes, but only talks over with your repeated mantra.

This is the most figurative book in the Bible. There are 10 horns mentioned 6 time in Revelation. That does not make them literal. They represent rulers. There are 7 heads mentioned 5 time in Revelation. That does not make them literal. They represent kingdoms. Babylon is mentioned 6 time in Revelation. That does not make it literal. It is mystery spiritual Babylon. The dragon is mentioned 12 time in Revelation. That does not make it literal. It is symbol of the devil.

Case in point.

You do not seem to understand apocalyptic language.

I understand symbolic teaching of the Symbol Man's Bible, and reject all of it.

You totally ducked around the issue of you forcing 1000 years into every single climactic passage in Scripture. You obviously have no answer fro that. This is forbidden in Scripture, yet you continually do this.

You're the only ducking duck here.

I'm pretty much done with you. Unless you come up with something new to address, or show how any points I make is not reasonably made, then there's no need to keep wasting my time with you.

 

[robert derrick]

What does the cross lack that necessitates the reintroduction of multiple "sin offerings" and "trespass offerings"? Is Christ’s sinless life, atoning death and glorious resurrection not enough for you? Was it not perfect enough, not satisfactory enough, and not final enough?

You not only twist Scripture to accuse the Lord of being weaker than Satan, but you are also ignore and twist the points of others, to make false accusation against them as well.

The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.

It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?