(samy;50255)
Sorry coop, but the angel Gabriel said that the vision spoke of the time of the end, not the time of Antiochus, and the 2300 spoke evening-mornings spoke of many days (not years). samy
Samy, I disagree. Let's look:17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision. 18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright. 19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be. 20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. 22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. 23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. 24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. 25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. 26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days. 27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.There is no question that the first 14 verses are speaking of Antiochus Epiphanes. But lets examine these verses: The first statement is "at the time of the end shall be the vision." Now, the angel will amplify that and tell what he means. His next statement is "I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be." What is the indignation he is speaking about? Of course, the previous verses about Antiochus. so the "end" he is making reference to, is the end of the terror of Antiochus. He proves this further by what he says next:"20The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king."Clearly he is speaking of the vison of the ram and the goat - not something 2500 years into the future. (It was future to them.) He goes on speaking of the major horn on the goat, "being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation" This is exactly what happened when Alexander died. So the angel is still speaking of ancient empires. Now we must "listen" very carefully:"23And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. Again, this is speaking of the days of Antiochus. he came alone many years after the Selucid empire started at Alexander's death.The key is, "their kingdom" was totally defeated by Rome.However, that being said, these verses, 23-27, may well have a "double reference" and also refer to the beast of Revelation 13. The time frame of the 2300 days, in my opinion, was speaking of Antiochus. He desecrated the temple, and the temple was later cleansed.What do you make of the beasts of chapter 7? Are they a "repeat" of the empires of the great image - or are they all about the time yet future to us? Coop