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[BlessedPeace]

You seem to have forgot what Jesus said.

Mt 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Death and Hell were thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:14

 

[Jack]

Death and Hell were thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:14

They will be. Guess you missed this:

Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[BlessedPeace]

They will be. Guess you missed this:

Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

No, I saw it.

 

[Hobie]

The soul returns to God who gave it.

According to scripture the "soul" is a living, breathing creature...human and animal. A "soul" (nephesh in Hebrew) was never a disembodied spirit. The Jews, like the Christians after them, succumbed to the lure of Platonic Greek notions of an immortal soul. It is not, and never was a Bible teaching. The Bible teaches resurrection which is through Christ at His second coming. Scripture tells us what happens when we die, it says it plainly.

Genesis 3:19

By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”

Job 7:21

Why then do you not pardon my transgression and take away my iniquity? For now I will lie down in the dust; And You will seek me, but I will not be."

Job 14:10,12

But man dies and lies prostrate man expires, and where is he? "As water evaporates from the sea, and a river becomes parched and dried up, so man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens are no longer, he will not awake nor be aroused out of his sleep.

Psalm 115:17

The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.

Psalm 146:4

When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish.

Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity. All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return.

Ecclesiastes 9:5

For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing

Over and over again the Bible says that the dead know nothing. These are only a few examples. The dead don’t think. They don’t praise the Lord. They have no consciousness. They return to the earth, as dust. Their plans perish and they cease to exist. Ecclesiastes 3 even tells us that man has no advantage over the beasts. All go to one place, which is dust.

 

[St. SteVen]

According to scripture the "soul" is a living, breathing creature...human and animal.

This reminds me of a question that came to mind yesterday when I was out for a bicycle ride.
Noticing a lot of grasshoppers this time of year. One jumped across my path and triggered a few thoughts.

When I was young I used to kill bugs when ever I saw them. And "bug-killer" is typically
a male responsibility in a family. The wife screams to husband, "There's a spider in the bathroom!"
The husband knows the drill. Same with rodents, on land or air-borne. - LOL

At some point I realized that insects have fear and can feel pain. Bang on the kitchen
countertop and the ant runs for it's life. Or corner it and they fight back.
So, a thinking being capable of fight or flight syndrome. Very interesting.

I suppose you wonder if I will EVER get to the point. Here it is...

Do only beings with lungs have a soul?

 

[Hobie]

This reminds me of a question that came to mind yesterday when I was out for a bicycle ride.
Noticing a lot of grasshoppers this time of year. One jumped across my path and triggered a few thoughts.

When I was young I used to kill bugs when ever I saw them. And "bug-killer" is typically
a male responsibility in a family. The wife screams to husband, "There's a spider in the bathroom!"
The husband knows the drill. Same with rodents, on land or air-borne. - LOL

At some point I realized that insects have fear and can feel pain. Bang on the kitchen
countertop and the ant runs for it's life. Or corner it and they fight back.
So, a thinking being capable of fight or flight syndrome. Very interesting.

I suppose you wonder if I will EVER get to the point. Here it is...

Do only beings with lungs have a soul?

Without breath, are you living, of course not. So its not hard to see what is a soul, but some just want whatever they can to resist what we have from Gods Word. So what is a soul? You are a soul as scripture clearly lays out.

Genesis 2:7
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Notice in the verse above that man became a living soul. He was not given a soul. He became a soul. In other words, we do not have souls, we are souls.

Strong’s concordance defines nephesh as “a soul, living being, life, self, person, desire, passion, appetite, emotion”. With this definition in mind, the last part of Genesis 2:7 can be paraphrased as, for example “man became alive” or “man became an individual”. It is in fact the very moment when man gained his self awareness and free will.

The same word occurs 754 times so we can’t look at all examples but let’s look at this one that clearly applies.

Genesis 1:20
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life (Nephesh), and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

Here the King James Bible translates it as “creature that hath life”. Remember, this is the same word that was translated as “soul” in Genesis 2:7. The more examples you look at the more obvious it becomes that when the word “soul” is used in scripture it refers simply to “a living creature”. So keep in mind the true meaning of the word Nephesh, which can be translated as soul, living creature, person or individual, when you read verses such as…

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul who sins shall die.

 

[BlessedPeace]

According to scripture the "soul" is a living, breathing creature...human and animal. A "soul" (nephesh in Hebrew) was never a disembodied spirit. The Jews, like the Christians after them, succumbed to the lure of Platonic Greek notions of an immortal soul. It is not, and never was a Bible teaching. The Bible teaches resurrection which is through Christ at His second coming. Scripture tells us what happens when we die, it says it plainly.

Genesis 3:19

By the sweat of your face you shall eat bread, till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; for you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”

Job 7:21

Why then do you not pardon my transgression and take away my iniquity? For now I will lie down in the dust; And You will seek me, but I will not be."

Job 14:10,12

But man dies and lies prostrate man expires, and where is he? "As water evaporates from the sea, and a river becomes parched and dried up, so man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens are no longer, he will not awake nor be aroused out of his sleep.

Psalm 115:17

The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.

Psalm 146:4

When his breath departs, he returns to the earth; on that very day his plans perish.

Ecclesiastes 3:19-20

For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity. All go to one place. All are from the dust, and to dust all return.

Ecclesiastes 9:5

For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing

Over and over again the Bible says that the dead know nothing. These are only a few examples. The dead don’t think. They don’t praise the Lord. They have no consciousness. They return to the earth, as dust. Their plans perish and they cease to exist. Ecclesiastes 3 even tells us that man has no advantage over the beasts. All go to one place, which is dust.

You have my deepest sympathy. Live your mortal life well

 

[St. SteVen]

You have my deepest sympathy. Live your mortal life well

Very interesting response. Wow. Thanks.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Romans 10:9- KJV
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and SHALT BELIEVE in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

John 14:6 KJV: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: NO MAN cometh unto the Father, but by me.

2 Corinthians 5:18/19
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 1:9 KJV. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 John 2:
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

John 3:16 KJV. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Only by believing in Christ can we have ACCESS to the Father. Those who reject Jesus will be rejected for ALL ETERNITY by the Father bc of THEIR CHOICE to deny him !
Forever being detained, eternally SPERATED FROM GOD, they choose the destiny of eternal damnation over eternal life !

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Today, Sept. 4, 2023.
Harold, if as you write here, the truth that you claim is your life, regarding the dysfunction and abuse in your home....there IS help. I don't feel we are getting the WHOLE picture here.
If you are of legal age you may leave your parents home and your sister can apply for emancipation from said parents.
CP Services are required to INVESTIGATE every complaint, plus there are multiple recourses, the police, can be called for the domestic verbal abuse, the tantrums of your mom; who, if true needs some serious mental evaluations, with possible institutionalization!
I can see the stem of your confusion with God, the inability to understand his word and the ease you are coerced into false doctrine.
Prayers will be raised to God in the correction of your home life, for all members

 

[Igorwxi]

Где модератор ??
Это важно.
С уважением.

 

[Behold]

My friends, my… family members from an Adamic perspective, truly I say to you, if God does not save even a single person in our family tree, than He has utterly failed. How can any family be happy when even one among them is lost forever? Therefore, all people must be universally reconciled with God.

God has suppled the Blood and Death of His own Son for your "family members".
if they chose to not receive this eternal Gift from God, then that is their CHOICE, and God honors our Choice after we die.

And regarding..>"Well, mama isn't here in heaven"..

Could be that way for some of us...

But, here is what you can Know... God has all that worked out, so, dont let it be a concern, as, when we are "Changed" and enter Heaven, what was important down here, wont matter.

God is really smart. And He understands how to take care of "some of my family didnt make it"....

Reader, Dont ever worry about that, as God has that under control, and you'll see that He does, once you are in Glory with all the Saints.

What you can do, is get busy making sure that your family is actually saved and not just water baptized.

 

[Behold]

, it’s God’s desire to wash away all our sin, to have all people believe in Christ, His precious blood, to make us permanently clean. All Christian Universalism does is apply that notion to every single person.

Yes, the Universalist applies the Blood of Jesus to everyone, simply because they are breathing.

God does not.
What God has done is offered this Gift of the Blood of Jesus, to the world, as a Gift,.... but, He requires our FAITH, before He will APPLY this Gift of Salvation to you.

The Universalist denies that "faith" is required, and that teaching is : Hebrews 13:9
The Catholic denies that its only Faith that God will accept.
Most Cults are sort of inbetween making God's Salvation, "faithless" or "only by works" or "water".
The worst Cults try to make it ALL of this......

The Cross.
The Water
'The Commandments
The Law
Works

= "doctrine of devils"., as its the Devil that is always trying to change the way, means, and method, regarding God's salvation.

He is always trying to CHANGE it, and Exchange it ..

Most of the time, its by water or works.

 

[face2face]

The irony is the Bible teaches that no one goes to Heaven either upon death or as a reward. It's crazy the deception which is in the world and how blindness has come upon Christianity.

F2F

 

[Jack]

Around 11:49 AM today Sept 12 2023 an older stranger with white facial hair and a leg brace spoke with me on the bus. Despite their pain, they're still able to walk.



We converse. They tell me they don't give up and I reply saying there's a lot of people who are still alive who have already given up unfortunately. But does the LORD give up on anyone, whether living or dead?



Romans 8:39 KJB Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.



If a person is literally unable to believe in Christ to be saved after death, like some Infernalists/Annihlationists may posit, then the depth of the pit of Sheol, of death, has separated us from the love of God. But as we Christian Universalists know, the love of God, God’s desire, is to have everyone be saved. He never gives up!

If you're right the Bible is a WHOPPER!

 

[Jack]

Yesterday, Sept 13 2023 Wednesday, my mother saw me writing my UR Bible verses. She tells me if I don’t stop, my autism will get worse. And that I should get like a whiteboard and write on there and wipe it over and over again. The problem with that is, well obviously, I write my Christian Universalism Gospel messages with the purpose of spreading them in public. That Christ was killed, buried, risen to pay for all our sins.

``` Exodus 4:11 NAB The LORD said to him: Who gives one person speech? Who makes another mute or deaf, seeing or blind? Is it not I, the LORD? ```



The only reason I am able to write these UR Bible verses is because of the LORD. Just like how the LORD did not make me completely physically blind when seeing these verses, so too does the LORD choose who to give spiritual blindness too, which is Infernalism/Annihlationism, and who to send out to preach Christian Universalism. This is shown in the immediate next verse:

``` Exodus 4:12 NAB Now go, I will assist you in speaking and teach you what you are to say. ```



If Infernalism is true, then what of the one given a spiritual deafness where they are unable to hear the good news of Christ? Why does the LORD give them that disadvantage? It’s cruel to imagine that God created a person specifically to have them be tortured forever. Because faith comes from hearing. Romans 10:17. So we see that, though a person is permanently saved by faith alone in Christ, that ultimately, it’s up to God when a person truly believes in Christ. But just because people are not saved before death, does not mean that they are permanently lost. Indeed, the LORD God will not blind, nor deafen, nor mute forever in Sheol, the realm of the dead. For all shall be made alive and be given

``` Proverbs 20:12 NAB The ear that hears, the eye that sees— the LORD has made them both. ```

Homosexuals are heading for Hell fire.

1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

 

[Taken]

Everyone Goes to Heaven​

OP^

Broad claim.
* Clouds that which accumulate about mountain tops, visible by humans on earth, experienced by humans on the mountain tops, as well as flying in a jet above the Earth….are IN the lower Heavens.

* Will every human have such experiences?
Maybe, but nothing defiantly says so.

* Will ALL “souls” that were IN humans Believe? Yes.

Remembering ALL souls belong to: God.
Remembering THE LIFE IN A SOUL, IS: Gods Breath.

* Will ALL humans See Salvation? Yes.

* Salvation IS the Christ the Lord Jesus. (The Same whom shall JUDGE. The Same whom ALL shall See and Stand before Him. The Same whom ALL shall See, Believe, Bow down and Worship Him…ON Judgement Day).

* Remembering ALL human Flesh MUST DIE, God requires the Life of a human’s BODY, (Which the Life of the Flesh Human Body; IS the Body’s BLOOD.)

* Some human’s WILL “exercise THEIR Freewill” TO GIVE their Bodily Flesh BLOOD LIFE unto the Lord God … AND Become “soul” Saved AND “spirit” Quickened (ie. Born Again).

* Some human’s WILL NOT “exercise THEIR Freewill” TO Give their Bodily Flesh BLOOD LIFE unto the Lord God….
** However God IS FAITHFUL to DO as He says, AND SHALL “TAKE” the BLOOD LIFE of Every human… weather or not… “THEY freely CHOOSE” TO “give” their LIFE to Him…or NOT!

* WHEN a human man Bodily Dies, His BODILY LIFE (BLOOD) Dies. His Body’s LIFE (BLOOD), NEVER RETURNS TO HIS BODY.

* On Judgement Day…Regarding the Saved souls and Quickened spirits…Those souls and Those spirits Return FROM Heaven to ENTER their BODY that has been Transformed INTO a glorious SINLESS RISEN (BLOODLESS) BODY, risen UP by the Power of God TO STAND BEFORE the Judge.

* On Judgement Day…Regarding the UN-saved and the NON-quickened….Their soul (with Gods Breath of Life) returns to their SINFUL, BLOODLESS, Body, Risen UP in its corrupt natural Body, by the Power of God) TO STAND BEFORE the Judge.
** During their LIFE-TIME, Their Bodily LIFE, (BLOOD), they freely chose TO REJECT the Lord God.
** Never AGAIN AFTER a human’s Bodily (BLOOD) Life DEATH, is a human’s BLOOD LIFE returned to his BODY, that that humans LIFE can BELIEVE, DECLARE or COMMIT His Body’s LIFE unto the Lord God. His LIFE (BLOOD) IS DEAD! The DEAD, know NOTHING!

* An Individual Human’s LIFE (Blood) MUST Believe AND Commit his Life UNTO the Lord God…BEFORE His BLOOD LIFE DIES…or he has forfeited his opportunity to Receive Gods Offering of His gift of Salvation and Quickening.

* According to Gods Faithful and True Word, THAT man SHALL BE DAMNED.
He SHALL NOT receive a SAVED soul.
He SHALL NOT receive a QUICKENED spirit.
He SHALL NOT be Risen Up in a sinless glorious BODY.

* God SHALL Depart His Living soul From that mans risen Corrupt Body.
* God Breath of Life IN that soul SHALL Return TO God.
* That mans Corrupt LIFELESS (void of BLOOD) and The soul (Void of Gods BREATH of Life), SHALL be thrown in the Lake of Fire (IN Hell)…destroyed, burned up and remembered; NO MORE.

* Yes, ALL “souls” shall Believe.
* Yes, ALL shall Bow and Worship the Lord God.
* No, ALL shall NOT be Bodily Raised in a Glorious body.
* No, ALL shall NOT be Soul Saved.
* No, ALL shall NOT be Spirit Quickened.

The Lord God IS the JUDGE of:
The QUICK AND The DEAD.
The QUICK Shall forever Be WITH the Lord God.
The DEAD Shall forever Be WiTH-OUT the Lord God….and Forgotten.

* Yes, the QUICK shall occupy a RENEWED Earth, WHEN Earth Becomes AS IT IS IN Heaven….Gods Kingdom, Gods Throne, God King of the Heavens AND Earth.

* Yes, Fallen (angelic) spirits shall be Forever IN the Lake of Fire, experiencing Forever separation FROM God, with NO OPTION to Escape.

* Yes, Human men WHO while alive and unto their Bodily Life's (Blood) death freely chose to REJECT God, become Rejected by God…separated From God and their Lifeless body and Lifeless soul Destroyed in Hell and Forgotten.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amigo de christo]

Those who DENY CHRIST are gonna suffer big time . it is truly about time the church actually
get up and stop preaching UNIVERSALISM which will never lead to FAITH IN CHRIST
and rather start teaching and persuading men to BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
KNOWING THE TERROR OF GOD THEREFORE WE PERSAUDE MEN . try keeping that in mind harold and others .
Cause those who preach another gosple , another jesus will truly be held accountable unto GOD and CHRIST
on the day of the LORD . Ye claim you preach love
but the last time i checked love dont lead folks into darkness , into a lie , into a mindset
that one has no need to BELEIVE ON JESUS CHRIST . RATHER IT REJOICES IN THE TRUTH
POINTS TO THE TRUTH , POINTS TO THE DIRE NEED OF BELEIVING ON CHRIST JESUS . You been warned .
You have been warned and more than once and by others too . YA bess cease this other gospel
before perhaps what came upon ELAYMUS cometh upon you . OR WORSE you find yourself
on judgment day STANDING BEFORE CHRIST and hearing , I NEVER KNEW YOU . the latter IS WORSE .
better to be chastended and repent than to continue in a lie and hear DEPART FROM ME i NEVER KNEW YA .

 

[Jack]

Harold, you really should jump from that LGBTQ train to Hell. It may hurt but it may save you from the everlasting fire!

 

[amigo de christo]

Harold, you really should jump from that LGBTQ train to Hell. It may hurt but it may save you from the everlasting fire!

the pain that can be inflicted in the lake that burneth with fire
can no pain in this world even compare to that pain .
Sure we will be mocked , maybe even some of us punched
or even cast out of society for not riding satans rainbow train . BUT far better is it to have suffered even
great wrath and serious fury and vegeance from man , THAN TO SUFFER THE ETERNAL TORMENTS OF HELLS RAGING FIRES
where the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched . ITS High time to for any and all
who are on the all inclusive love train TO JUMP THE HECK OFF IT THIS INSTANT .
Be not partakers of others sins , keep thyself pure .
FOR NO man knoweth the day or the hour of their last breath
NOR DOES THIS WORLD or any even know THE HOUR THE LORD DO COME .
AND ON THAT DAY , ITS TOO LATE . WHOSE WE ARE IS WHERE WE ARE . those who followed
satan and his big ol love rainbow will go to the lake of perdition . THOSE IN CHRIST forever WITH OUR LORD .