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True, but neither were there New Testament weddings... other then one to point out a miracle of Jesus turning water into wine.Birthdays were not even celebrated in the Scriptures by Jews or Christians. The very idea of a birthday is pagan
The only ones I can think of were Belshazzar and Herod.
I think it is just more informative. I don't think anyone is trying to be legalistic. Actually a fascinating subject.
You are welcome.bit of info.It really doesn't matter. This is an old, old topic discussed ad nauseam on every forum I've ever been on. But a few people with nothing better to do always want to tell the rest of us how wrong we are.
Do a little research for me would you so it is ready when we get to Easter eventually.However, I will make an exception for Easter and Pentecost because they are based in the feasts. I tell people Easter should be called Firstfruits day (technically first of the Firstfruits) occurring on the morrow after the Sabbath. But otherwise, it tends to follow the biblical calendar to the very day, i.e. so-called Easter and Pentecost are when those days fall on the biblical calendar except when a leap month is added and then it's off by a month. But this does not happen very often. They are the only two feast/Sabbath days that the church is accidentally celebrating as if there's a divine reason for not messing up the timing.
I do know that and I don't read every thread. Some aren't worth reading.You are welcome.View attachment 37002
Just a wee bit of info. It is not imperative to read every thread. Participation is strictly voluntary.
Theophilus Bishop of Caesarea (115-181)wrote: "We ought to celebrate the birthday of our Lord on what day so ever the 25th of December shall happen." (Magdeburgenses, Cent. 2. c. 6. Hospinian, de orign Festorum Chirstianorum)Source?
I know the answers already given I'm into calendars and the like. First of all, the Orthodox calendar (i.e. Julian) v.s. Gregorian: The Orthodox add a leap day every 4 years. Thus the year averages 365.25 days.Do a little research for me would you so it is ready when we get to Easter eventually.
We know according to all that has been suggested in the Holy Bible that the crucifixion happened during the Passover week and His resurrection happened ( the leaving of the tomb) just after . Sometime after 6PM on the weekly Sabbath but around or before dawn on Sunday. And the date for that was Nisan 14
Why do the Orthodox celebrate Easter on different days every year? Sometime the same as Catholics sometimes not.
In 2021 it fell on May 2
2022 it fell on Arpil 24
For the remainder of the 21st century, Easter will fall between April 4 and May 8 for Orthodox Christians, and March 22 and April 25 for Catholics.
We are told nowhere to celebrate it in scripture. Luke had to establish that Jesus was born in the city of David to fulfill Messianic prophecy. You are quoting Church fathers from 2nd century''Theophilus Bishop of Caesarea (115-181)wrote: "We ought to celebrate the birthday of our Lord on what day so ever the 25th of December shall happen." (Magdeburgenses, Cent. 2. c. 6. Hospinian, de orign Festorum Chirstianorum)
Hippolytus (ca. 165 – 235 C.E.), in his commentary on Daniel 4:23 wrote: “The first coming of our Lord, that is in the flesh, in which he was born at Bethlehem, took place eight days before the Kalends of January …”
Eight days before the calends of January is December 25.
Theophilus of Antioch (ca. 171 – 183 C.E.), in his discussion about the proper time to observe Easter state that the Gauls contended that just as they celebrated the birth of the Lord on December 25, regardless of what day of the week that fell on, so too Christians ought to celebrate Easter on March 25, regardless of what day of the week that fell on.
If the day Jesus was born was not a special day worthy of remembrance, why did the angelic host proclaim “unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord.” In fact, if this day wasn’t worthy of remembrance, why was the nativity account even included in the Gospels? And why does it include so much historical detail about the time and place? Luke certainly made every effort to set the nativity in an historical context.
You asked for source, I gave you source. I said Jesus was born on December 25. The 2 century Fathers made the statement to clarify what Christians were already doing from the 1st century, they didn't just make it up and say celebrate on that day. Did you not think that Christians at Ephesus where Mary and the Apostle John stayed would not ask when was Jesus born; It was already well known.We are told nowhere to celebrate it in scripture. Luke had to establish that Jesus was born in the city of David to fulfill Messianic prophecy. You are quoting Church fathers from 2nd century''
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"Unlike the Romans, however, Jews and Christians tended not to recognize birthdays. Late in the first century AD, Josephus remarks that "the law does not permit us to make festivals at the births of our children, and thereby afford occasion of drinking to excess" (Against Apion, II.26). Indeed, only two birthdays are mentioned in the New Testament: that of Pharaoh (Genesis 40:20) and Herod Antipas, tetrarch of Galilee, whose marriage to his brother's wife Herodias had been denounced by John. When her daughter Salome danced before the king at his birthday feast, she was promised whatever she might ask—which, at the instigation of her mother, was the head of John the Baptist (Matthew 14:6ff, Mark 6:17ff; Luke 9:7ff; Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, XVIII.5.2).
That the gods themselves had birthdays was thought ridiculous as well. Writing about AD 296, Arnobius mocks pagans for anthropomorphizing them. "We men gather our vintages, and they think and believe that the gods gather and bring in their grapes; we have birthdays, and they affirm that the powers of heaven have birthdays" (Adversus Nationes, VII.34). Rather, it was the anniversary of one's death that should be remembered; indeed, "the day of death [is better] than the day of one's birth" (Ecclesiastes 7:1).
Mark and Paul make no reference to when Jesus was born, and Matthew and Luke, although they include an account of Jesus' birth, do not mention the time of year. Nor were the early Christian fathers interested in establishing a calendar date. Origen admonished his listeners in Alexandria that "Not one from all the saints is found to have celebrated a festive day or a great feast on the day of his birth. No one is found to have had joy on the day of the birth of his son or daughter. Only sinners rejoice over this kind of birthday....the saints not only do not celebrate a festival on their birth days, but, filled with the Holy Spirit, they curse the day" (Homilies on Leviticus, VIII.3.2).
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Maybe we should just ignore what the crucifixion and resurrection were all about?MANY of us were raised to believe Christmas and Easter are the heart of Christianity. Actually they have little to do with the Christian Bible.
Jesus will accept 0 off the table of demons. Both Christmas and Easter are filled with pagan false god worship practices. 1Cor 10:21)--The false god associated with the Chaldean rites of spring pagan false god worship celebration=Beltis, queen of the gods-Also called Astarte and Ishtar( different languages) on the assyrian monuments-Ishtar, the h is silent. its pronounced eastar--They named the holiday after that false god. They = the great apostasy( 2 Thess 2:3) = Catholicism centuries ago.I am a born again Christian. I honour Jesus' birth, death and resurrection because without them I would still be a sinner unreconciled with God. Now Christians can honour these events at any time of the year but it is lovely to know that at certain times we are all honouring them at the same time together as the Church of Christ - his body.
Obviously we all know that wasn't the actual date of his birth but since nobody knows for certain what that is we have it as his 'official' birthday - a bit like the UK monarchs have real birthdays celebrated by family and personal friends and also official public ones.
People can call it what they want but the reason for these 'celebration' is Jesus and if it's about him then it's not wrong.
Only people who don't understand that would call it pagan.
Including Kingdom Hall victims who don't even believe their own JW bible that says Jesus is God and Hell fire is everlasting!Jesus will accept 0 off the table of demons.