70 weeks of Daniel

[CoreIssue]

Although I know you are addressing your question to CoreIssue nevertheless for the benefit of those interested.

The "HE" you refer to is the Messiah, see our blog post, "The Seventy Weeks of Daniel" for a more through examination of this prophecy.

Bible Student/Taze Russell

 

[Bobby Jo]

Although I know you are addressing your question to CoreIssue nevertheless for the benefit of those interested.

The "HE" you refer to is the Messiah, see our blog post, "The Seventy Weeks of Daniel" for a more through examination of this prophecy.

Hog wash. If what you assert were true, then you could find a PRECEDENT for using two numbers which have to be summed, instead of simply stating the net result. Seven and Sixty-Two? NO, -- SIXTY-NINE.


Really, can't you obey Daniel 12:4 & 9? Is it too easy to simply follow instructions? Are you compelled to use a crow-bar, dynamite, drills, chisels, and hammers to open what has already been opened? Couldn't you have simply waited?


And then you assert these LIES as truth. -- I'd ask if I really looked so STUPID as to believe you, but I might not like the answer. :)

Bobby Jo

 

[Bobby Jo]

Babylonian Student/ John Ankerberg

That's not an answer. That's an excuse. -- And we all have "excuses" in our nether regions, don't we?!? :)


Give an answer or go preach your hog wash somewhere else ...

If what you assert were true, then you could find a PRECEDENT for using two numbers which have to be summed, instead of simply stating the net result. Seven and Sixty-Two? NO, -- SIXTY-NINE.​

Bobby Jo

 

[Enoch111]

You have a problem with your numbers. Christ did not die at age 30. He was 33. So 453+ 33 =486, not 483.

As well, Christ was born in 4 to 6 bc, so he died in 24 to 26 ad.

This prophecy has nothing to do with the age of Christ, but with the year of His crucifixion. And there is only ONE decree of Cyrus which is mentioned several times in the Bible. Artaxerxes had nothing to do with this prophecy.

 

[Earburner]

Although I know you are addressing your question to CoreIssue nevertheless for the benefit of those interested.

The "HE" you refer to is the Messiah, see our blog post, "The Seventy Weeks of Daniel" for a more through examination of this prophecy.

Yes! You are correct. And I did read your blog post of the "70 weeks" . Amen!

 

[Bobby Jo]

This prophecy has nothing to do with the age of Christ, but with the year of His crucifixion. ...

Ignorance can be cured, but stupidity is forever.

If what you assert were true, then you could find a PRECEDENT for using two numbers which have to be summed, instead of simply stating the net result. Seven and Sixty-Two? NO, -- SIXTY-NINE.​

We all choose,
Bobby Jo

 

[Enoch111]

But scripture directly supports none of this. It is nothing more than false prophecy from start to finish.

Don't blame Scripture for your lack of understanding. False prophecy claims that we are already in the Millennium (in spite of evidence to the contrary). And that is your belief.

"Amillennialism is the name given to the belief that there will not be a literal 1000-year reign of Christ. The people who hold to this belief are called amillennialists... they believe that Christ is now sitting on the throne of David and that this present church age is the kingdom over which Christ reigns."

If this is the kingdom over which Christ reigns (with evil rampant all over the world) then God save us all from this foolish idea.

 

[Bobby Jo]

Don't blame Scripture for your lack of understanding. ...

I hear "wind" but it doesn't smell like "wind".

If what you assert were true, then you could find a PRECEDENT for using two numbers which have to be summed, instead of simply stating the net result. Seven and Sixty-Two? NO, -- SIXTY-NINE.​

Whew,
Bobby Jo

 

[CoreIssue]

This prophecy has nothing to do with the age of Christ, but with the year of His crucifixion. And there is only ONE decree of Cyrus which is mentioned several times in the Bible. Artaxerxes had nothing to do with this prophecy.

Still does not work.

If he died 30 A.D. that means he was born in 3 ad, which does not work.

Herod died in 4 BC and his decree was to kill all male children two years old and younger. So Herod was not alive in 3 ad.

 

[Harvest 1874]

Hog wash. If what you assert were true, then you could find a PRECEDENT for using two numbers which have to be summed, instead of simply stating the net result. Seven and Sixty-Two? NO, -- SIXTY-NINE.


Really, can't you obey Daniel 12:4 & 9? Is it too easy to simply follow instructions? Are you compelled to use a crow-bar, dynamite, drills, chisels, and hammers to open what has already been opened? Couldn't you have simply waited?


And then you assert these LIES as truth. -- I'd ask if I really looked so STUPID as to believe you, but I might not like the answer. :)

Bobby Jo

Actually we have our precedent and it is given by the Lord through the very same prophet and in the very same Chapter you refer to, the 12th Chapter of Daniel.

Here the prophet Daniel was asking one of the two angels concerning the length of time until the fulfillment of the things spoken of in Verse 4 (specifically “the time of the end”), and the angel answered him in Verse 7 saying, “it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.”

“A time, times, and half a time,” or 3 1/2 times

Here you have your two numbers viz. the “times” plural, which have to be summed together.

In other words, 1 time (360) + 2 times (720) + 1/2 time (180) = 3 1/2 times (1260)

3 1/2 x 360 (the number of days in a lunar year) = 1,260 prophetic days, which are translated into 1,260 years, the period of Papacy’s rule from the setting up of the Abomination of Desolation in A.D. 539 to the “Time of the End” in A.D. 1799.

 

[Earburner]

Bible Student/Taze Russell

CI, though others have interjected, and you are running with them, you have not answered my post to you.

 

[CoreIssue]

CI, though others have interjected, and you are running with them, you have not answered my post to you.

Jehovah witness and by default Bible Students

 

[Earburner]

Don't blame Scripture for your lack of understanding. False prophecy claims that we are already in the Millennium (in spite of evidence to the contrary). And that is your belief.

"Amillennialism is the name given to the belief that there will not be a literal 1000-year reign of Christ. The people who hold to this belief are called amillennialists... they believe that Christ is now sitting on the throne of David and that this present church age is the kingdom over which Christ reigns."

If this is the kingdom over which Christ reigns (with evil rampant all over the world) then God save us all from this foolish idea.

You misunderstand, because you are full to the brim with false doctrines, of which you are afraid to let go of. Being learned of by men with preconceived ideas, you are not yet ready to hear the mind of the Lord about His OWN words. Isa. 55:8-9; John 16:13

 

[Earburner]

Jehovah witness and by default Bible Students

As with Enoch 111, you also misunderstand for the same reason.
Jehovah witnesses are of a breed unto themselves, and have nothing to do with the amillennial view, of which is now the Age of God's grace, since the Ascension of Christ.
JWs believe that their biblical "millennium" began on Jan. 1st 2000.

 

[Bobby Jo]

a time, times, and half a time

Four score and ten, a mile and a quarter, a dozen and a half -- are all appropriate increments, as is: a time, times, and a half a time.

The question is, and remains:

If what you assert were true, then you could find a PRECEDENT for using two numbers which have to be summed, instead of simply stating the net result. Seven and Sixty-Two? NO, -- SIXTY-NINE.​

For example, perhaps you could cite a grocery store advertisement which promote the sale of a can of beans which cost 13 cents plus 47 cents.

I'll gladly accept ANY citation in Scripture, and even accept ANY citation in any Society in world history. Give me ONE instance where two (or more) non-incremental numbers must be summed to achieve the intended target value.


And for reference, you might want to check the veracity of your KJV (or equivalent) against legitimate versions, i.e., Revised Standard Version (RSV), or in the Message (MSG), -- and maybe a few other Versions typical of ESV, ERV, GNT, the VOICE.



Sorry if my initial request was ambiguous, and hope the clarification helps!
Bobby Jo

 

[CoreIssue]

As with Enoch 111, you also misunderstand for the same reason.
Jehovah witnesses are of a breed unto themselves, and have nothing to do with the amillennial view, of which is now the Age of God's grace, since the Ascension of Christ.
JWs believe that their biblical "millennium" began on Jan. 1st 2000.

I have never said JW's were amillennial.

 

[Earburner]

Actually we have our precedent and it is given by the Lord through the very same prophet and in the very same Chapter you refer to, the 12th Chapter of Daniel.

Here the prophet Daniel was asking one of the two angels concerning the length of time until the fulfillment of the things spoken of in Verse 4 (specifically “the time of the end”), and the angel answered him in Verse 7 saying, “it shall be for a time, times, and half a time; and when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished.”

“A time, times, and half a time,” or 3 1/2 times

Here you have your two numbers viz. the “times” plural, which have to be summed together.

In other words, 1 time (360) + 2 times (720) + 1/2 time (180) = 3 1/2 times (1260)

3 1/2 x 360 (the number of days in a lunar year) = 1,260 prophetic days, which are translated into 1,260 years, the period of Papacy’s rule from the setting up of the Abomination of Desolation in A.D. 539 to the “Time of the End” in A.D. 1799.

It is quite evident that you have not read or studied 1&2 Maccabees in conjunction with Daniel. All of which has to do with the AoD by Antiochus Epiphanes, and the restoration of the temple by Judas Maccabeus.
BtW, do you know of anyone who "restored" a temple in the year 33AD?
Stop reading Revelation through Daniel.

 

[CoreIssue]

It is quite evident that you have not read or studied 1&2 Maccabees in conjunction with Daniel. All of which has to do with the AoD by Antiochus Epiphanes, and the restoration of the temple by Judas Maccabeus.
BtW, do you know of anyone who "restored" a temple in the year 33AD?
Stop reading Revelation through Daniel.

Maccabees is not Bible. It is Gnostic.

 

[Earburner]

I have never said JW's were amillennial.

Then your reply to me was not clear enough. Please be specific to my question.

 

[Earburner]

Maccabees is not Bible. It is Gnostic.

Antiochus Epiphanes is history, as prophesied in Daniel. Maccabees is that historical account.
Shal you deny also Alex the Great of Daniel and his history?