"A Call to Abandon Blind Faith."

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Blind-not characterized or determined by reason or control:unwilling or unable to perceive or understand.Today's study is another learning lesson in the series of exposing the truths and untruths that exist in some serious issues in the majority of religious society.Blind Faith could be seen as immoral and dangerous. This is a Call to abandon Blind Faith.This is what one topherfox had to say about the matter of Salvation yesterday I think he was speaking about blind faith blindly
If people believe that by choosing their faith and respecting it without fully understanding or regarding it for what it is, is the right thing to do and will lead them to salvation or the belief that they will reach salvation, then that's their right to chose to do so.
Ask yourself what is God? His nature, qualities, and analysis? One should also consider when making this analysis the topic of philosophy since it has advanced the manner of faith as religioustolerance.com tell us.
When early medieval Jewish philosophers accepted Platonic philosophy as a way to help understand God, some responded with claims of heresy. When later medieval thinkers such as Saadya Gaon and then Maimonides accepted Aristotelian philosophy as a way to help understand God, some responded with claims of heresy. When modern day thinkers such as Joseph Soloveitchik used a Kantian take on Platonic philosophy as a way to help understand God, some responded with claims of heresy. When modern day thinkers such as Max Kaddushin and William Kaufman used Albert North Whitehead's concept of process philosophy as a way to help understand God, some responded with claims of heresy
Is it a heresy? Maybe to some theology or hardcore Bible Scholars but no one can tell us how to best understand God for ourselves and we should use all manners of exploring the matter.What is God? I want this question to echo in your very bones.From religioustolerance.com
'Everybody's entitled to their own opinion' goes the platitude, meaning that everybody has the right to believe whatever they want. But is that really true? Are there no limits on what is permissible to believe? Or, as in the case of actions, are some beliefs immoral?
Blind Faith's Predecessor'sOne could argue the point however valididating this claim can be seen with the destructive behavior of some religious advents. All the false preachors and pastors leading people astray, the muslim bombers, the crusades, suicidal incidents, joan of arc(?), spanish armada, there have been many incidents in history that record atrocities commited by supposed believers or sections of faith but I attest maybe it had to do with Blind Faith while it may not be the sole cause those claiming belief in God and taking lives of others are in fact disobeying God by the commandment not to murder and acting outside his will.So we see how blind faith can lead you on a path that you "think" is service to God when in fact you play the fool and choose deception which is sad to say common throughout history. I assure those who killed innocent people for their "supposed God" may have the wrong idea or concept of a Loving Father who wants nothing more than the good will of all Man. He created us for a unique purpose for community and relationship. So again I assure you that these people may very well have never asked "What is God?" Let it verberate your soul. I cannot give you all the answers and most people want you to believe theirs but I want you to look inside yourself for your own answers after all everything in your life starts with you."Letting go of the Past and Learning from Experience."I tell you we should not accept blindly what others tell us. Ask questions. Why do they believe that so strongly? Why In fact I encourage to question your beliefs and WHY you believe them did someone tell you that did you grow up with that or did you discover yourself, your personal discovery and what is your reason/philosophy of life? I encourage you all to ask the question Who are we? And why are we here? I know the answers for myself but do you? I hear to many talking about being created to go to hell and that is NOT why we are here so people that say that are in for a wake up call.My admission to this is that I was raised in a Christian home all my life this is truly a Blessing of family values and I praise God for the wonderful family I was raised in. However many times my parents did not always "appear" happy or "joyful" maybe becuase I was a extremely rebellious son and always caused them imense amounts of stress however even in the darkest hours of our lives Godly people should demonstrate Godly character. Not always with my parents I forgive them completely but admit that we must not simply believe what our parents tell us or always follow our parents example because I for one hold myself to a higher standard than some christians demonstrate. I have learned the hard way that only through my personal study and discovery have I realized the truth. I questioned what I believe and the truth and God answered a prayer that lead me from Christianity to Judaism to No Accepted Religion back into Christianity but through all this I have learned from other relgions and still believe christianity is the most accurate but still many things I believe other's don't because I learened alot from practiced judaism. So study other religion but learn to discern the truth. Here's my confessionI learned the truth of the the False Trinity from the Jehovah's WitnessesI learned the truth of keeping the Law from the JewsI learned the truth of idolatry from the CatholicsOf Course I learned the truth of Christ and Life from the ChristiansI am still a christian but practice many different things I understand you may not be able to accept this it is just another's viewpoint but these are the things I believe are the truth not because I make outlandish statements but becuase I have experienced and studied it for myself. Most christians may never venture outside their faith this should not be so. You are free to roam just remember your Christian roots. In all this I have learned more about God through philosophy and discovery than anything else anyone has told me.Is Blind Faith Blind? Well we can be sure of that. Time for some scripture this is in hopes to build you up not tear you down. Now on the precept to know God we should his commandments/torah read this striking passage.Deuteronomy 28Curses for Disobedience 15 However, if you do not obey the LORD your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come upon you and overtake you: 19 You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out. 28 The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind. 38 You will sow much seed in the field but you will harvest little, because locusts will devour it. Blessings for Obedience 1 If you fully obey the LORD your God and carefully follow all his commands I give you today, the LORD your God will set you high above all the nations on earth. 3 You will be blessed in the city and blessed in the country. 8 The LORD will send a blessing on your barns and on everything you put your hand to. The LORD your God will bless you in the land he is giving you. The LORD will establish you as his holy people, as he promised you on oath, if you keep the commands of the LORD your God and walk in his ways.You want the true message of prosperity? Here it is in a nutshell. Obey God's commandments and be blessed don't and be cursed. Many preachors don't have the desire to say this they tell you God wants to bless you if you titheno matter what as long as you tithe a seed..etc. (they don't tell you if you disobey God you will be cursed of course because they would lose your money) That is why you know for yourself I am not after your money I am after your heart. Millions of people want your money but how many want your heart? God does be sure of that your whole heart of course not half of your heart.Matthew 15:1414Leave them; they are blind guides.[a] If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit." Notice what christ says here he says leave them they are blind it doesn't matter what they believe it matters that they are blind.John 9Spiritual Blindness 35Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, "Do you believe in the Son of Man?" 36"Who is he, sir?" the man asked. "Tell me so that I may believe in him." 37Jesus said, "You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you." 38Then the man said, "Lord, I believe," and he worshiped him. 39Jesus said, "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind." 40Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, "What? Are we blind too?" 41Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.So folks the moral of the story is if you claim that you were blind but now you see you have much more to account for and others will not excuse our own actions we must answer for ourselves so it's best to understand what blind faith is.This is a call to abandon blind faith questions your world around you and it all starts with you it all starts here. Ask yourself What is God? What is life? What is blindness? What is faith? What is spirit? What is confusion? So what is "Blind Faith" To me well Blind faith is anyone who accepts what they are told about a particular religion from others more "wise" or "learned" without questioning their core values of belief inside themselves. Do they believe what others believe? probably. They likely also accept what is popular or common or doctrine as indisputable everything folks everything is disputable. I don't have to accept everything scholars say or educations says. I for one am no man of great knowledge but I am a man of great experience. I learned from a young age that "streetsmarts" are parallel to philosophy and "booksmarts" is parallel to theology. I may not have all the answers but I know someone who does. As for what is popular I assure you most preachors and scholars believe what they believe through education and instituions but we know the foundations of man are imperfect so let us not blindly trust those with a good amount of "education"Has this helped you? I pray that it will question your world around you here is the article I referred to on blind faith. blessings and love brothers and sistershttp://www.religioustolerance.org/kaiser_01.htm
 

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SpiritsoldierJust be so thankful God is not blind. Hes had his hand on you for a long time. Leading you every inch of the way. Now it will be equally amazing to see how he uses you for His own good. Sit back and take a look how Hes blessed you and protected from harms way through all this.God Bless You
 

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Thanks so much Crooner I pray that your journey will lead you higher and I appreciate your sentiment.
 

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"I learned the truth of idolatry from the Catholics"very good post spirit soldier but I'm going to have to step in.Catholics don't worship mary or the saints. We ask them to pray for us.Catholics do not worship holy water, they use it to remind us of our baptism.The priest does not forgive our sins in confession. God forgives our sins through him.So please don't call catholics idolatorers that is the last thing they are.On the plus side I completley agree with everything else you said
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"I learned the truth of idolatry from the Catholics"very good post spirit soldier but I'm going to have to step in.Catholics don't worship mary or the saints. We ask them to pray for us.Catholics do not worship holy water, they use it to remind us of our baptism.The priest does not forgive our sins in confession. God forgives our sins through him.So please don't call catholics idolatorers that is the last thing they are.On the plus side I completley agree with everything else you said
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Okay, let me ask you guys a question. Why do you guys believed in men's doctrine over God's words?JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

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ha I knew you were going to respondlet me ask you this Jagis your understanding of the word error free.
 

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Okay, let me ask you guys a question. Why do you guys believed in men's doctrine over God's words?JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
Because this doctrine is Gods word. We believe we can pray to saints because1. All christians are members of Christs body and one another )5So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. ( roman 12:5)2. Jesus has only one body4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; ( Eph 4:4)15And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.( col 3:15)3. death cannot seperate christians from one another35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. ( rom 8: 35-39)4. Christians are bound in mutual love10Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; ( Rom 12:10) 11Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do. ( 1 Thess 5:11) 2Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. ( gal 6:2)lets see you fight your way out of that Jag
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ha I knew you were going to respondlet me ask you this Jagis your understanding of the word error free.
I really don't like it when people answer a question, with a question. In fact you love to avoid questions.I can safely say this. Christ is the only way to Heaven. He has no denominations. He is error free, and wisdom from God is error free. I am not allowed to understand the bible in a carnal, worldly way. (even men's doctrine I can not believe)JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
 

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Hey Letsgofishing but don't some Catholics pray to Mary? and why do they call priests "Father"?Matthew 23:9 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.Matthew 6:9"This, then, is how you should pray: " 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, 10your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.Wouldn't this be considered idolatry if peoples are adoring Mary and praying to her? It does not sound right. And what about the images of Jesus? Isn't this a disobediance to one of his commandments known as idolatry?Deuteronomy 4:16so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below.(They have images of Jesus on a Cross or portrait in the Catholic Churches)Those that practice these wouldn't be safe to say are commiting idolatry?
 

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didn't the catholics put the book of Tobit in their bible though? when it is against the teachings of Christ? burning meat to ward of spirits???hmmmJesus says to cast them out, the catholic church is one of the four creatures that worship the lamb,,
 

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didn't the catholics put the book of Tobit in their bible though? when it is against the teachings of Christ? burning meat to ward of spirits???hmmmJesus says to cast them out, the catholic church is one of the four creatures that worship the lamb,,
what do you mean one of the four crearures that worship the lamb??
 

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Good on you SpiritSoldier ! I learnt the truth hard way also. It was not handed to me. I didn't grow up in a Christian home. I was not rebellious to my parents as long as I had them. I saw things that I was not supposed to in young age. I was emotionally, mentally and spiritually neglected. I grew up to be a really over sensitive, anxious, extremely fearful and later depressed individual. I had a little bit Lutheran background through my aunt.God knew me before I was even born, He protected me, while I didn't even know Him yet. Things could have been even worse. I was not given 'tools' how to live my life. There was no guidance. I just felt I was drifting, asking my purpose, what is wrong with me. There were 8 children in one stage in 'my family'. Stepsisters and stepbrothers, 3 real biological brothers.I felt so alone and different from others... until God lead me to other country away from my past circumstances and really started to teach me in a powerful way... not easy way. I was still struggling a lot emotionally... and felt like a doormat; everybody seemed to walk over me, I didn't know how to change that. But little by little I started to understand I am worthy, I don't need to be a doormat, I don't have to take all the garbage, people are throwing at me. God started to show me how precious I was in His sight not because of me , but because what Jesus did for me. God loved me so much. And By understanding His love towards me, changed me. I'm surrounded by non-believers, there are muslims, buddhists, hindus, I've got a hindu neighbour, lovely person. Jehova's witnesses, my brother is one of those, but he lives overseas,mormons, catholics, my good friend goes to a catholic church, she sometimes come to our church, which is charismatic pentecostal church. I've got couple of friends not that I see them much, but they are lovely people, who are buddhists. I know some really nice muslim women. We've got buddhist temples, couple of mosques, (actually I visited buddhist temple and the mosque) ,hindu temple close to us. [ In the mosque, they had open day for everybody and I put the guy on the spot and asked him to come and visit our church, he said yes, but never came anyway... ]Hmm... they say, they want to intergrate, but he must have 'chicken out' on that Sunday morning,when I called Him second time just to remind. It's a Holy war in heavenlies. I visited buddhist temple, so beautiful, I could have been sitting in the garden for ages... but I would not worship Buddha.I could have chosen any of those, but knowing what their beliefs are, I don't want to or need to go to their places. It so funny ,well, in reality it's should not be funny, to see on the same street buddhist, hindu, just almost ready new mosque built and pentecostal church, I dont attend to that church though. I see those people in those temples as Our God's opportunity, Our God loves them so there is always work to do for us. And Our living God is in control. Let Him guide us !Bless you all !Love,Thunder1My Awesome God has shown me His love and the truth through Jesus Christ. And I love my church. " Look what the Lord has done..." I don't know if you know that song"?
 

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Hey Thunder, so what country are you in? Yes I am on a constant search for complete truth and a quest for eternal love. You are surrounded by so many different faiths what a good oppurtunity for God to use you! I am really trying to help others as much as possible and fulfill my mission of commission. I heard Beth Moore on daystar say in a prayer to the Almighty "I love your words, I love LOVE your words God." She Loves the word of God. But she made no mention of loving God...how sad. I love God above all else I love God. I will not pray a prayer of telling God how much I love the Bible But I wil thank him for it's resource and be grateful for it's existence but I love YHWH God yes I love no man made thing but the God who made them all.
 

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Hi, SpiritSoldier,I live in Australia. I love it in here. I did a group study from Beth Moore's book "Breaking free" in our church, while back. It was awesome and we became much closer to each other as Christian brothers and sisters, for some people it was really hard to deal with some issues. I love Beth Moore. Maybe she did not come across the way you thought she should have this time. I've got so much from her teachings. of course Jesus is NO1.God Bless,Thunder1
 

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Hey thunder yes ALOT of what she said mattered! But the way she prayed didn't seem honoring to God, we should tell God we love him more than anything including the bible! That would be bible worship or Bibliolatry, from wikipedia.org Bibliolatry is the worship (adoration) of the Bible or any other text.If she is so huge on words yes then she should be careful about what she says she LOVES that is a very powerful word and when you are praying to a Holy God how much you LOVE his word [/B]and NOT him I think he would be rather upset if you ask me. She seems to know alot and she should know how to pray as a believer.That's why I suggest proper prayer which is also on this forum because what people say is one thing but the way some people pray really bothers me. It stirs my soul to want to make a difference in the world.
 

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Hey thunder yes ALOT of what she said mattered! But the way she prayed didn't seem honoring to God, we should tell God we love him more than anything including the bible! That would be bible worship or Bibliolatry, from wikipedia.org Bibliolatry is the worship (adoration) of the Bible or any other text.If she is so huge on words yes then she should be careful about what she says she LOVES that is a very powerful word and when you are praying to a Holy God how much you LOVE his word [/B]and NOT him I think he would be rather upset if you ask me. She seems to know alot and she should know how to pray as a believer.That's why I suggest proper prayer which is also on this forum because what people say is one thing but the way some people pray really bothers me. It stirs my soul to want to make a difference in the world.
Hi!Yeah, I think it's her personality, how she comes across, but I know that she loves God, that's why she is teaching the word. Sometimes God stirs up something in you... possibly trying to tell you something. I don't really know what's that in you... maybe God wants you to take a step to start teaching people, how to pray. That might be your thing/calling... I don't know... ask and pray about that. God wants to use you for sure. God will show you the way. I just love God, Jesus and Holy Spirit. My prayers are simple. But if you think there is a need to teach about that...go for it. God opens and closes doors. He lets you know.GOD BLESS,Thunder1
 

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Hey Letsgofishing but don't some Catholics pray to Mary? and why do they call priests "Father"?Matthew 23:9 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.Matthew 6:9"This, then, is how you should pray: " 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, 10your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.Wouldn't this be considered idolatry if peoples are adoring Mary and praying to her? It does not sound right. And what about the images of Jesus? Isn't this a disobediance to one of his commandments known as idolatry?Deuteronomy 4:16so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below.(They have images of Jesus on a Cross or portrait in the Catholic Churches)Those that practice these wouldn't be safe to say are commiting idolatry?
i don't know what other catholics do. But let me set this straight, We ask the saints to pray for us. Thats it. Why do we call a priest Father when the bible says " call no one father" Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. 5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.' "But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. ( Matthew 23 1-12)In mathew 23:1-12, when Jesus tells us call no man "father" or "teacher" He is using figurative language to emphasize that all authority and truth ultimatley come from God. We can not take these passages literally. Otherwise Jesus would be contradicting himself for repeating the fourht commandment " honor your father and mother" (Mt 19:19) and refering to " Father Abraham ( Luke 16:24)Throughout the bible men are called fathers and teachers. Both catholics and protestants call earthly men fathers and teachers. Saint Stephen and saint Paul call the Jewish religous leaders "fathers" ( acts 7:2 and 22:1) St. Paul calls the corinthians " my beloved children for I became your father in Jesus Christ through the gospel" ( 1 Cor 4:14-15 see also 1 Thess 2:11, 1 Tim 1:2, and Tit 1:4) Saint Paul became there spiritual father because he cooperated with God in giving them spiritual life, just as biological fathers cooperate with God in giving Physical life. Like st. Paul priest cooperate with god in giving spiritual life to thier flock by preaching the Gospel and Living the christian life.your brother in christRyan Fitz
 

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Hi Letsgofishing,Why do you ask the Saints to pray for you and who are all these Saints?God Bless,Thunder1
 

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Hey ThunderThere are a couple reasons why we ask Saints to pray for us. First off because Jesus encourages us tooIn Matthew 18:20, the Scripture reads: "For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them."I have already given my reasons for the belief that the saints are alive and can pray for us in post #6, so therefore they can pray with us allowing Jesus to be with us.the second reason is that the saints have a influence on God in the old testament The Lord told Moses, “Quick! Go down the mountain! Your people whom you brought from the land of Egypt have corrupted themselves. 8 How quickly they have turned away from the way I commanded them to live! They have melted down gold and made a calf, and they have bowed down and sacrificed to it. They are saying, ‘These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you out of the land of Egypt.’” 9 Then the Lord said, “I have seen how stubborn and rebellious these people are. 10 Now leave me alone so my fierce anger can blaze against them, and I will destroy them. Then I will make you, Moses, into a great nation.” 11 But Moses tried to pacify the Lord his God. “O Lord!” he said. “Why are you so angry with your own people whom you brought from the land of Egypt with such great power and such a strong hand? 12 Why let the Egyptians say, ‘Their God rescued them with the evil intention of slaughtering them in the mountains and wiping them from the face of the earth’? Turn away from your fierce anger. Change your mind about this terrible disaster you have threatened against your people! 13 Remember your servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.[a] You bound yourself with an oath to them, saying, ‘I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars of heaven. And I will give them all of this land that I have promised to your descendants, and they will possess it forever.’”14 So the Lord changed his mind about the terrible disaster he had threatened to bring on his people. (Exodus 32: 7-14)and in the new testament1 On the third day there was a wedding in Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus and his disciples were also invited to the wedding. When the wine ran short, the mother of Jesus said to him, "They have no wine." 4 (And) Jesus said to her, "Woman, how does your concern affect me? My hour has not yet come." His mother said to the servers, "Do whatever he tells you." ( John 2 1-4)Did you catch that Mary asked Jesus for a miracle Jesus says no, and Mary askes him again and Jesus decides to do it.same with moses Gods going to destroy the isrealites, Moses asks him not too, and God changes his mind,The saints remarkably have influencial power over God.your brother in christRyan Fitz