We have a miscommunication here. I am in 100 percent agreement with you on being lead by the spirit. I think thats how all Christians should be lead. But before you reach that point, you need scripture, teachers (priest, preachers, other Christians) learn the basics, and when ready trust the the Father will lead you.
Doctrine should be based on scripture, sound scripture, not a controversial scripture, a good example would be the Is 9 6 passage. The other guy I was talking to thinks Jesus is the Father based on this passage. The problem is yu have many different translations of this passage, the mainstream Christian,the mainstream Jewish, the DSS and LXX all have different renderings. And they are pretty different. This is not a common thing but in these cases where it happens Im not sure its the best source for a foundation doctrine.
GINOLJC to all.
First thanks for the replt, and yes, we do agree. second, the other person is correct, in that Isaiah 9:6 the Lord Jesus is The child, (the body of Flesh and blood, born), and the spirit, (son), that dwelt in that flesh. understand jaybird, your body is not you the person, but the Soul. listen to ... and where the spirit come from. you asked a good question, and this is God, and why we're answering it. listen, Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it,
and spirit to them that walk therein:"
there it is, your spirit is not your, but of God.. because when we die, the spirit returns to the one who give it, God. So Isaiah 9:6 is correct in that Jesus is the Father, and here's the answer. follow us. Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a
child is born, unto us a
son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." lets break down this scripture, only on the first part.
#1. "For unto us a
child is born". our bodies are born from the man & the woman, a woman only generate, and birth the flesh bone and blood. that's why a child is of their Father, but by their mother. 1 Corinthians 11:12 "For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman;
but all things of God." Keep that in mind.
#2. "unto us a
son is given". this is what we want to zero in on. this is the "spirit" that comes from God, per, Isaiah 42:5. but notice something about this spirit here, it is "God" himself, how do we know this?. a son given, NOT BORN, but given. this spirit, his NATURE is not as our spirit nature are, which is the residue of the Spirit. but his NATURE is the EQUAL SHARE, and not the residue of the Spirit, but the Spirit. supportive scripture, Malachi 2:15 "And did not he make one?
Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek
a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth." here, in reproduction of HUMAN NATURE, we as huimans have only
the residue of the Spirit. meaning "spirit", human NATURE. but here in Malachi, residue is the Hebrew word,
H7605 שְׁאָר sh'ar (sheh-awr') n-m.
a remainder.
[from H7604]
KJV: X other,
remnant, residue, rest.
Root(s): H7604
let's put it into English, and Layman's terms to understand.
residue: a small amount of something that remains after the main part has gone or been taken or used. (the Fall of Man)
now Jaybird, what is another word for residue: a small amount of something? answer
portion. now what was the NATURE of the Lord Jesus the Son? answer, Philippians 2:6 "
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to
be equal with God:" so the Lord Jesus has an EQUAL NATURTE with the Spirit/God/whom you calls the Father. now lets put it together. "Form" here means NATURE, it's the Greek word,
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[
perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s):
G3313
now NOTICE this word ROOT, since we know that the Lord Jesus in Flesh as the Son has an EQUAL Nature, but what kind of EQUAL Nature? answer, the Root of "Form" here is,
G3313 see above in the definition, and this Root word is,
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a
portion
BINGO, there is our answer, what is another word for Portion? answer, residue. go back and read what we say it is, listen, the
residue: a small amount of something that remains after the main part has gone or been taken or used. but with the Lord Jesus he's the EQUAL Portion or the EQUAL residue of God or God himself. see our human spirits are replicated with the residue of the spirit when we're generated with a body in the womb of our mothers, (which God gives at BIRTH, of the flesh), and if God do not give that body which was generated for nine months a spirit, then it is called still born. please, my apologies to any mothers who may have had experience this. but the Lord Jesus spirit was not replicated by any man by any woman because his body was prepared by the Spirit/God himself. supportive scriptures. A. Hebrews 10:5 "Wherefore
when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not,
but a body hast thou prepared me:" BINGO. and B. who conceived that body? not a man or woman but the Holy Ghost. Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." WHAT WAS CONCEIVED WAS FLESH BONE AND BLOOD. and where did the Spirit that dwelt in that body come from EQUALLy in EQUAL Portion or the EQUAL residue of God? answer, John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath;
I am from above: ye are of this world;
I am not of this world." did you hear that Jaybird? listen, "
I am not of this world." he's not of this world, meaning he, the Spirit that is EQUALLy in EQUAL Portion or the EQUAL residue of God is NOT OF THIS WORLD. that's how I know that Mary was only a surrogate mother to the flesh, the flesh, the flesh, (that child, of Isaiah 9:6), that God the EQUAL Portion or the EQUAL residue of God, (the Son, Isaiah 9:6, that was given, NOT BORN, but given), came in.
see it now, that child that was born in Isaiah 9:6 is the body that the "Son"/Spirit came in who is the EQUAL Portion or the EQUAL residue of God himself. and if God himself, then "FATHER" in flesh is called "SON", or Son of, of, of, God. for the Son is
of God is FLESH AND BONES... with BLOOD, BORN OF A WOMAN, not convieved by a woman, but only BORN of a woman. (again, that why, and how I know that again, Mary was only a surrogate mother to the flesh, that God/the Son of Man came in. but the Spirit in that body of flesh, and bone with blood is is "FATHER". that's why the devil could only tempt the Son of God, NOT THE "Son of Man", which is God in Flesh.
Now Jaybird, you said, "
But before you reach that point, you need scripture, teachers (priest, preachers, other Christians) learn the basics, and when ready trust the the Father will lead you."
well now, you're at that point. because we have given you scripture, and your teacher is NOT 101G, but the Holy Ghost. and he, the Holy Ghost, have laid out the basics in who and what he is, GOD Almighty, "SHARED" in flesh as the EQUAL residue of God HIMSELF as Son.... now are you going to trust him? we have given you scripture, and definition, according to the bible, to back up we have said, and now it's up to you to research out what we have said is true.
go over what has been posted. re-read this post again, and ask God for understanding.
see Jaybird, I can answer any scripture, in many ways concering the GODHEAD, because it's all right here in our bibles. for I was taught by the Holy Ghost, also, as was the apostles, and disciples and the lat people in the early church. I just use today's word. so I highly recommend him, the Holy Ghost/Spirit, God to teach you also. one of my favorite scriptures, "Ye have not because ye ask not".
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
Are you not aware of that?
