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You said
“soul andspirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a d
No not to any bust Christ alone
nope
From the penny catechism (teaching)
17. What is God?
God is the supreme Spirit, who alone exists of himself, and is infinite in all perfection.
18. Why is God called Almighty?
God is called 'Almighty' because he can do all things; 'For God everything is possible'. (Matt. 19:26)
19. Why is God called Creator of heaven and earth?
God is called 'Creator of heaven and earth' because he made heaven and earth, and all things, out of nothing, by his word.
20. Had God any beginning?
God had no beginning: he always was, he is, and he always will be.
21. Where is God?
God is everywhere.
22. Does God know and see all things?
God knows and sees all things, even our most secret thoughts.
23. Had God any body?
God has no body; he is a spirit.
24. Is there only one God?
There is only one God.
25. Are there three Persons in God?
There are three Persons in God: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
26. Are these three Persons three Gods?
These three Persons are not three Gods: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all one and the same God.
27. What is the mystery of the Three Persons in one God called?
The mystery of the three Persons in one God is called the mystery of the Blessed Trinity.
28. What do you mean by a mystery?
By a mystery I mean a truth which is above reason, but revealed by God.
29. Is there any likeness to the Blessed Trinity in your soul?
There is this likeness to the Blessed Trinity in my soul: that as in one God there are three Persons, so in my one soul there are three powers.
30. Which are the three powers of your soul?
The three powers of my soul are my memory, my understanding, and my will.
The Second Article of the Creed
31. What is the second article of the Creed?
The second article of the Creed is, 'and in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord'.
32. Who is Jesus Christ?
Jesus Christ is God the Son, made man for us.
33. Is Jesus Christ truly God?
Jesus Christ is truly God.
34. Why is Jesus Christ truly God?
Jesus Christ is truly God because he has one and the same nature with God the Father.
35. Was Jesus Christ always God?
Jesus Christ was always God, born of the Father from all eternity.
36. Which Person of the Blessed Trinity is Jesus Christ?
Jesus Christ is the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity.
37. Is Jesus Christ truly man?
Jesus Christ is truly man.
38. Why is Jesus Christ truly man?
Jesus Christ is truly man because he has the nature of man, having a body and soul like ours.
39. Was Jesus Christ always man?
Jesus Christ was not always man. He has been man only from the time of his Incarnation.
40. What do you mean by the Incarnation?
I mean by the Incarnation that God the Son took to himself the nature of man: 'the Word was made Flesh'. (John 1:14)
41. How many natures are there in Jesus Christ?
There are two natures in Jesus Christ, the nature of God and the nature of man.
42. Is there only one Person in Jesus Christ?
There is only one Person in Jesus Christ, which is the Person of God the Son.
43. Why was God the Son made man?
God the Son was made man to redeem us from sin and hell, and to teach us the way to heaven.
44. What does the holy name Jesus mean?
The holy name Jesus means Saviour. (Matt. 1:21)
45. What does the name Christ mean?
The name Christ means Anointed.
I only use the KJV and Wycliffe versions when doing apologetics
And usually from the Bible alone cos that’s what most people will accept but my preference is an English translation of the original Latin vulgate or the douay-rheims
Thank you. I’ll try to remember that.
I do find it curious though that you don’t use Catholic translations for apologetics. Is that because you choose to use a Protestant translation when speaking with Protestants, or is there another reason?
Given what you’ve said about Catholics being the true Christians, I wasn’t expecting to hear you say that you used Protestant translations. It’s fine that you do but it sounds counterintuitive to me.
Got it. The Protestant translations for apologetics and Catholic translations for private.
There’s way too much in your for me to do justice to in a single response. I’ll cut to the chase:
I expect Christians to be Christlike - Godlike, if you prefer. I don’t think that’s really possible without being filled with the Holy Spirit. If it is only our human nature on display then there won’t be much resemblance.
When I see a Christian, I see Christ, to varying degrees.
When I see Christ, I see God, not the Trinity.
Thanks. I see the divine nature in all Christians. I guess that means that I don’t see you as you see yourself. I wasn’t expecting the conversation to take that turn.
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This is just a huge misunderstanding.
If a driver looses his license, is he still a driver? If he gets his license back, is he again a driver?
"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Philippians 2:5-8
Those of you who are only looking at Jesus as that temporary "bondservant"...will not want to hold that narrative when you come before Him.
The NASB is my “workhorse” translation @theefaith but for private reading you might be surprised to hear that I prefer and enjoy the NABRE - a Catholic translation.
I customarily follow a Bible reading plan every year. I have a preference for reading the Bible in chronological order but this year I’m using a plan that isn’t chronological. Two days ago the reading included 1 Samuel 28. I’d like you to take a look at 1 Samuel 28:18 with me and tell me what you think.
This is King Saul speaking with the witch at Endor.
“The king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid, but what do you see?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I see a divine being coming up out of the earth.’”
(NASB)
“But the king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid; but what do you see?’ ‘I see a god rising from the earth,’ she replied.”
(NABRE)
“And the king said unto her, ‘Be not afraid; for what sawest thou?’ And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.’”
(KJV)
“And the king said to her, ‘Do not thou dread (Fear not); what hast thou seen?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I saw gods ascending from [the] earth.’”
(WYC)
I’ve bolded the words and phrases I’d like to hear your thoughts on.
I customarily follow a Bible reading plan every year. I have a preference for reading the Bible in chronological order but this year I’m using a plan that isn’t chronological. Two days ago the reading included 1 Samuel 28. I’d like you to take a look at 1 Samuel 28:18 with me and tell me what you think.
This is King Saul speaking with the witch at Endor.
“The king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid, but what do you see?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I see a divine being coming up out of the earth.’”
(NASB)
“But the king said to her, ‘Do not be afraid; but what do you see?’ ‘I see a god rising from the earth,’ she replied.”
(NABRE)
“And the king said unto her, ‘Be not afraid; for what sawest thou?’ And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.’”
(KJV)
“And the king said to her, ‘Do not thou dread (Fear not); what hast thou seen?’ And the woman said to Saul, ‘I saw gods ascending from [the] earth.’”
(WYC)
I’ve bolded the words and phrases I’d like to hear your thoughts on.
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Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
That’s not at all what I see Isaiah (a Jew, not a trinitarian!) saying, nor is that what I see Matthew saying happened. Luke 1:35 seals it for me. The angel states precisely the reason why Jesus would be called the Son of God.
Man is called “God” (Heb. elohim; Gk. theos) in scripture. That’s what I’m trying to get you to address.
I believe Jesus is divine.
I’d still like to hear your thoughts on 1 Samuel 28:18. NASB has the witch at Endor saying to Saul that she saw a divine being coming up out of the earth.
1 Sam 28:18 Just as you did not obey the Lord and did not execute His fierce wrath on Amalek, so the Lord has done this thing to you this day.
wrong verse???
how can you believe Jesus is divine and reject both the trinity and modelism?
Yes. Thank you. I don’t know why I wrote that it was verse 18. The passage I’m asking about is verse 13.
I’m a Jewish monotheist and Jesus is a Jewish monotheist. We aren’t trinitarians and we aren’t modalists.
When I say that I believe Jesus is divine I’m saying that I believe Jesus is Godlike.
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