stunnedbygrace
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but if Jesus was God, why do we not need a mediator between us and him?
Because He became flesh just like we are flesh.
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but if Jesus was God, why do we not need a mediator between us and him?
All that Jesus spoke, he said was from his Father.
Jesus is said to be a "servant" of his God.....can God be his own servant?
For every scripture you give, there is one that says the opposite
you have chosen yours without regard to the ones that contradict your beliefs.
We only gain knowledge by evaluating what we read in the scriptures, and going with our gut response to it.
How do you suppose the Great Awakening took such a hold on 19th century America at a time bereft of the internet, radio, and television? That said, when Jesus commissioned His disciples to go from village to village and town to town He wasn't forbidding the use of other means by which to share the good news of the kingdom. Otherwise you wouldn't be here right?Can I ask you how many people from any of Christendom’s churches have ever called at your door with “the good news of the kingdom”? (Acts 20:20; Matthew 10:11-14)
Missionary work is not just for foreign lands. The first Christians called on their fellow Jews in villages and towns and cities in their own vicinity. They preached to their neighbors.
I actually had the Pastor of a local church call at my door one day, many years ago, (the only time I have ever been visited by a member of any church, apart from the Mormons*) and when I told him I was one of Jehovah’s Witnesses his face saddened, and then he said to me that he knew that the Lord Jesus commanded his disciples to preach like Jehovah’s Witnesses do, but that he had had no success in getting any of his congregation to join him in the work....then he asked if JW’s were paid to do what they do? I said, “of course not, for us it is a command, and part of our love of God and neighbor to participate in the work that Jesus commissioned us to do”....it’s a life saving work. (Matthew 28:19-20)
(*Mormons do not preach about God’s Kingdom....they only participate in their door to door ministry as young missionaries for a short period of time, and they have a vastly different message to the one Jesus preached.)
So because Jesus said “this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations”, (Matthew 24:14 as part of the “sign” of the end times) and he said he would be “with” his disciples in directing this work.....so, look for the only international body of Christians who have actually been carrying out that commission for over 100 years without let up in every nation on earth......some doing so under bans inspired by their own religious leaders. (like the Pharisees)
Only the power of God’s spirit could accomplish that as a global exercise conducted by a global brotherhood in hostile territories. Christendom’s churches can’t even get their people out preaching locally, let alone globally.
To me....actions speak louder than words.
No, not ignoring. I could not make heads or tails of it
If you are not ignoring, then why are you claiming I have not cited many Scripture verses, when, in fact, I cited many?
Regarding your lack of understanding; did you even watch the video I provided? It went into depth explaining that words are WHAT's not WHO's and translations get it correct in John 6:60, "that word" is a hard teaching to understand. The verse does not invoke "who word" like it is abused in 1:1.
Luke 3:38 - "the son of Enos, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God." Adam was not the same nature as God.My failing when discussing the issue of the nature of God and His Son, is being utterly unable to consider the possibility of God bringing forth an only begotten Son that has a different nature to His Father.
And 1 John 1:1 speaks of the same 'beginning'....I have known this to be true.....the beginning of Yahshua's ministry
Uh…why don’t you mind your own business….haha!
Revelation 5:14, KJV:I don't know what translation you are using there but it doesn't say that they fell down and worshipped the Lamb.....
"And I heard every created thing which is in heaven, or on the earth, or under the earth, or on the sea, and all the things in them, saying,
“To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion forever and ever.”
14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped".
Since Jesus himself said that worship belongs only to Yahweh, (Luke 4:5-8) you can see that the Lamb is sharing the throne with his God and Father.....Princes often did this, but they were not classified as equal to their Father as the King.
But you cannot get your head around this. The Angel of the LORD was none other than the pre-incarnate Christ. He said in this passage that His name was " I AM". But Jesus of Nazareth also told the Jews that He was "I AM" (long before Abraham). So instead of believing that Jesus is God, you wish to play games with Scripture. A very dangerous activity.
Amen!That’s been a recurring point of mine - you can’t force the Bible to your assumptions, preconceived notions or pet doctrines men taught you.
1. Did Jesus call Himself "I AM"? AbsolutelyWhat scriptural proof text do you have to support that "The Angel of the LORD was none other than the pre-incarnate Christ"?
One cannot answer a question with a question.
This is just another example of you not answering questions, joking to avoid the uncomfortable subject of self-examination (why you believe what you believe).
Amen!
Perhaps not everyone can do as I strive to do. Each and every morning my purpose is to go to that lowest room [Luke 14:8-12] as empty as I am able of any and all preconceived notions or doctrines or beliefs. I do believe that without God's help even this is not possible, if we can only allow God to change or add or subtract as He sees fit. Nothing held back on my part!
Sometimes He makes a change that I can see. To do it really, I believe, I have to admit to the possibility that anything I already hold to may be wrong. No ATs [Absolute Truths]! Are ATs included in our faith?