A Spirit of Unbelief

[Johann]

I find it dishonest that people will claim everything that Paul says of himself...like being crucified, or seated in heavenly places...

Correct me if I'm wrong here-so there is nothing in the Scriptures that we can make applicable in our lives?

 

[Behold]

I find it dishonest that people will claim everything that Paul says of himself...like being crucified, or seated in heavenly places..

We find it hilarious that you can't even read the simple words in a bible, much less discern any of it.

For example..

Notice the "US".. that you claim is only "Paul".

So, your theology is so bible denying and Truth rejecting, that its really quite amazing that you are allowed to continue.
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""""God raised US up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus!”"""

New International Version
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

New Living Translation
For he raised us from the dead along with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ Jesus.

English Standard Version
and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Berean Standard Bible
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Berean Literal Bible
and He raised us up together and seated us together in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

King James Bible
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

New King James Version
and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

New American Standard Bible
and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

NASB 1995
and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

NASB 1977
and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus,

Legacy Standard Bible
and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

Amplified Bible
And He raised us up together with Him [when we believed], and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, [because we are] in Christ Jesus,

 

[Episkopos]

Correct me if I'm wrong here-so there is nothing in the Scriptures that we can make applicable in out lives?

Paul ...who is of the tribe of Benjamin...for example...gives us his testimony in his letters to the churches. Do we all claim now to also be of the tribe of Benjamin? Paul was shipwrecked, beaten, stoned and imprisoned. Can we claim those things as our own personal testimony...because it is written in the bible?

If we can't claim the physical experiences of Paul, what makes us think we can claim his spiritual experiences? Do we raise the dead? Are we called to found churches?

What perplexes me is what happens to the mind of someone who becomes religious. Any kind of logic goes out the window. Any reasoning power is counted as dung. Is that the way of Paul? Or was it his status and his trust in himself what he counted as dung...that he might win Christ. When? After he dies? Are we not doing the very opposite of what he did...while claiming to have the same spiritual status that he had?

Jesus, as well as Paul, and other bible authors, used reason to convince people when they were entirely in the wrong state of mind. But religiously indoctrinated people have never listened to reason.

So Paul gives us a testimony, that we can experience in large part too...IF we also go to God in a full surrender and consecration.
So we tend to leave God out of the equation and instead adopt whatever suits our fancy...fully outside of reality.

Paul's testimony, when understood correctly, gives us an idea of what we might expect if we were to be as zealous for God as he was and were permitted entry into the walk in heavenly power.

It's so funny that ANY kind of ACTUAL testimony that resembles Paul's experience (like being crucified or experiencing the higher walk in Zion) coming from a called out one today...is seen as false right away. This demonstrates the dishonesty with which any biblical stance is held to in the one doing the unbelieving and criticizing.

We are heading for a judgment that very few are ready for. My efforts at warning people are mostly thrown back in my face. I don't expect anything else from dogmatically religious people. It's all there to read about in the bible.

So be it. I have at least done my part to warn others of what is coming.

 

[Johann]

Paul gives his testimony...who is of the tribe of Benjamin...for example. Do you claim now to also be of the tribe of Benjamin? Paul was shipwrecked, beaten, stoned and imprisoned. Can we claim those things as our own personal testimony..because it is written in the bible?

If we can't claim the physical experiences of Paul, what makes us think we can claim his spiritual experiences? Do we raise the dead? Are we called to found churches?

What perplexes me is what happens to the mind of someone who becomes religious. Any kind of logic goes out the window. Any reasoning power is counted as dung. Is that the way of Paul. Or was it his status and his trust in himself that he counted as dung...that he might win Christ. When? After he dies?

So Paul gives us a testimony, that we can experience in large part too...IF we also go to God.

IOW his testimony gives us an idea of what we might expect if we were to be as zealous for God as he was.

It's so funny that ANY kind of ACTUAL testimony that resembles Paul's experience (like being crucified or experiencing the higher walk in Zion) is seen as false right away. This demonstrates the dishonesty with which any biblical stance is held to in the one doing the unbelieving and criticizing.

We are heading for a judgment that very few are ready for. My efforts at warning people are simply thrown back in my face. I don't expect any else from dogmatically religious people.

I hear you and can understand how you must feel-1 Cor 13 comes to mind immediately-the constant verbal attacks from other "Christians" on a public Forum-but you haven't answered my question brother-Is there nothing in Scripture that we can make our OWN and apply it TO ourselves?

An aside-I am not your enemy and thus far you have answered me respectfully.
J.

 

[Behold]

Paul ...who is of the tribe of Benjamin...for example...

Meaningless.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Here is what matters..

"be a follower of me, as i follow CHRIST",... Paul told you.

Not a worshipper, but a follower, a disciple of the greatest disciple who ever lived, who is the apostle to the gentiles, who wrote the doctrine for the Bride of Christ, and gave us the '"Gospel of the Grace of God".

Episkopos, according to your videos, posts, and Threads... nothing you teach, is connected to Paul's Doctrine.
Nothing.
ZERO.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I find it dishonest that people will claim everything that Paul says of himself...like being crucified, or seated in heavenly places...and all the benefits. But when it comes to having faith like Paul...and suffering the consequence as well as experiencing the benefits...well that's just for him. Do we realize that it was the very faith of Paul that made those things we are quick to claim for ourselves possible?

Where is the faith? Where is the honesty?

To be truthful, I must confess my limitations and refrain from pretending to be more than what I am. Nonetheless, those who question my honesty lack good justification for their beliefs. This could be identified as "deflection."

Let's go ahead and deal with your concern. Your post implies that whatever Paul wrote about himself is also universally true for each and every other believer. Is that true? I don't think so.

Let's not fail to consider that Jesus Christ appointed our brother Paul to a unique and special role as an apostle. I am confident that we will both agree with the following implications of this fact: 1. not all believers are apostles, and 2. the Father has granted his Son's request to give his apostles special knowledge, increased memory capacity, and the ability to perform miraculous signs of apostleship. (Refer to John's gospel chapters 15-17) In other words, I don't have a good reason to think that Paul's experience as an apostle is universal to all believers.

Now for the passage itself. What can a believer learn from Paul's experience?

Philippians 4:10-14

10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at last you have revived your concern for me; indeed, you were concerned before, but you lacked an opportunity to act. 11 Not that I speak from need, for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstances I am. 12 I know how to get along with little, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need. 13 I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. 14 Nevertheless, you have done well to share with me in my difficulty. ​

In this passage, the apostle Paul is thankful to the Philippi church for their renewed financial support. He also emphasizes his belief that he accepts financial aid not for his own benefit, as he has learned to live with little but as a reflection of the believers' generosity. He has developed the ability to cope with limited resources and endure hunger and need with the strength provided by Christ.

He recognizes that the financial aid from the Philippians is due to their belief in Christ and that their generosity is a result of the Holy Spirit supporting Paul's mission. Even though he has learned to live with very little, he is heartened by the support of others and what it reveals about their character.

What general principles are at play here? Perhaps all believers should learn how to live with little. And all believers should rejoice when receiving financial support, not for its own sake but for what it reveals about the giver's character.

In this context, we don't see anything about the "power to live a moral life."

 

[CadyandZoe]

Correct me if I'm wrong here-so there is nothing in the Scriptures that we can make applicable in our lives?

First, we come to understand what Paul meant by what he said. Then, we apply it to our lives.

 

[Episkopos]

First, we come to understand what Paul meant by what he said. Then, we apply it to our lives.

What if Paul was not writing a self-help manual or a book about the proper religious dogma to agree with. What if he was being miraculously guided and empowered by God to do what is humanly impossible? How do you "apply" that to your life?

What about going before the Lord and seeking Him until He visits you with His grace? Your own personal Pentecost experience.

I don't think that is on the religious agenda.

 

[Johann]

First, we come to understand what Paul meant by what he said. Then, we apply it to our lives.

I'm well aware of that brother-

Seven "Abstains" - Abstain From:
1. Idols (ACTS 15:20)
2. Fornication (ACTS 15:20,29; 1.THESS 4:2-3)
3. Strangled meats (ACTS 15:20)
4. Eating blood (ACTS 15:20)
5. Meats offered to idols (ACTS 15:29)
6. All appearance of evil (1.THESS 5:22)
7. Fleshly lusts (1.PET 2:11)

Seven things to avoid:
1. Troublemakers (ROM 16:17)
2. Profane and vain babblings (1.TIM 6:20)
3. False science (1.TIM 6:20)
4. Unlearned questions (2.TIM 2:23)
5. Foolish questions (TIT 3:9)
6. Genealogies (TIT 3:9)
7. Arguments about the law (TIT 3:9)

Three "Asks":
1. Ask and ye shall receive (MATT 7:7)
2. Ask no return of goods (LK 6:30)
3. Ask life for backsliders (1.JN 5:16)

Two things to awake to:
1. Awake to righteousness (1.COR 15:34)
2. Awake to life (EPH 5:14)

Seventy-four "Be's":
1. Be exceeding glad (MATT 5:12)
2. Be reconciled to a brother (MATT 5:24)
3. Be perfect (MATT 5:48; 2.COR 13:11)
4. Be wise as serpents (MATT 10:16)
5. Be harmless as doves (MATT 10:16)
6. Be ready for Christ's coming (MATT 24:44;
LK 12:40)
7. Be content with your wages (LK 3:14)
8. Be merciful as God (LK 6:36)
9. Be like faithful servants (LK 12:36)
10. Be thankful (COL 3:15)
11. Be at peace among selves (1.THESS 5:13)
12. Be patient toward all people
(1.THESS 5:14; 2.TIM 2:24)
13. Be no partaker of sin (1.TIM 5:22)
14. Be sober and hope (1.PET 1:13)
15. Be sober and pray (1.PET 4:7)
16. Be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith,
charity, and patience (aged men, TIT 2:2)
17. Be sober, love husbands and children (young
women, TIT 2:4)
18. Be sober minded (young men, TIT 2:6)
19. Be in behaviour as becoming to saints (aged
women, TIT 2:3)
20. Be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good,
obedient (young women, TIT 2:5)
21. Be ready to give an answer of the hope that
is in you (1.PET 3:15)
22. Be of good cheer (JN 16:33)
23. Be baptized (ACTS 2:38)
24. Be converted (ACTS 3:19)
25. Be transformed (ROM 12:2)
26. Be kind of brotherly love one to another
(ROM 12:10; EPH 4:32)
27. Be fervent in spirit (ROM 12:11)
28. Be patient in tribulation (ROM 12:12)
29. Be given to hospitality (ROM 12:13)
30. Be afraid, if lawless (ROM 13:4)

31. Be no idolater (1.COR 10:7)
32. Be followers of Paul as he followed Christ
(1.COR 11:1; PHIL 3:17)
33. Be followers of God (EPH 5:1)
34. Be followers of the faithful and patient
(HEB 6:12)
35. Be not children in understanding
(1.COR 14:20)
36. Be men in understanding (1.COR 14:20)
37. Be steadfast (1.COR 15:58)
38. Be unmoveable (1.COR 15:58)
39. Be always abounding in God's work
(1.COR 15:58)
40. Be strong in the Lord (1.COR 16:13;
EPH 6:10; 2.TIM 2:1)
41. Be of good comfort (2.COR 13:11)
42. Be of one mind (ROM 12:16;
2.COR 13:11; PHIL 2:2; 1.PET 3:8)
43. Be separate from the unclean
(2.COR 6:17)
44. Be renewed in spirit (EPH 4:23)
45. Be angry and sin not (EPH 4:26)
46. Be tender-hearted one to another
(EPH 4:32)
47. Be filled with the Spirit (EPH 5:18)
48. Be likeminded (PHIL 2:2)
49. Be one of accord (PHIL 2:2)
50. Be anxious for nothing (PHIL 4:6)
51. Be an example to believers in word,
conversation, charity, spirit, faith, and purity
(1.TIM 4:12)
52. Be a partaker of Christian sufferings
(2.TIM 1:8; cp. 1.PET 4:1)
53. Be gentle to all people (2.TIM 2:24)
54. Be apt to teach (2.TIM 2:24)
55. Be instant in season, out of season
(2.TIM 4:2)
56. Be careful to maintain good works
(TIT 3:8,14; cp. MATT 5:16)
57. Be content with what you have (HEB 13:5)
58. Be doers of the Word (JAS 1:22)
59. Be afflicted and mourn (JAS 4:9)
60. Be patient till Christ comes (JAS 5:7-8)
61. Be holy in conversation (behaviour)
(1.PET 1:15-16)
62. Be pitiful (1.PET 3:8)
63. Be courteous (1.PET 3:8)
64. Be examples of the flock of God, not lord over
it (1.PET 5:3)
65. Be subject one to another (1.PET 5:5)
66. Be clothed with humility (1.PET 5:5)
67. Be sober (1.PET 5:8)
68. Be vigilant (1.PET 5:8)
69. Be mindful of prophecies and commandments (2.PET 3:2)
70. Be diligent to be found in peace (2.PET 3:14)
71. Be diligent to be without spot, and blameless
(2.PET 3:14)
72. Be faithful to death (REV 2:10)
73. Be watchful, strengthen self (REV 3:2)
74. Be zealous and repent (REV 3:19)

Thirty "Be Not's":
1. Be not like the hypocrites in prayer
(MATT 6:5)
2. Be not like the heathen in prayer
(MATT 6:8)
3. Be not as hypocrites in fasting
(MATT 6:16)
4. Be not called "Rabbi" (MATT 23:8)
5. Be not called "Master" (MATT 23:9)
6. Be not afraid of man (LK 12:4)
7. Be not of doubtful mind (LK 12:29)
8. Be not many teachers (JAS 3:1)
9. Be not afraid of terror (1.PET 3:14)
10. Be not troubled (1.PET 3:14)
11. Be not ignorant of time with God
(2.PET 3:8; cp. ISA 57:15)
12. Be not deceived: 10 classes not to inherit the
kingdom (1.COR 6:9-10)
13. Be not conformed to world (ROM 12:2)
14. Be not slothful in business (ROM 12:11)
15. Be not conceited (ROM 12:16)
16. Be not overcome of evil (ROM 12:21)
17. Be not mere servants of men (1.COR 7:23)
18. Be not children in understanding
(1.COR 14:20)
19. Be not deceived by evil companions
(1.COR 15:33)
20. Be not unequally yoked together with
unbelievers (2.COR 6:14-15)
21. Be not entangled again with keeping the law
(GAL 5:1. See ‘Eighty-five Old and New
Covenant Contrasts’)
22. Be not deceived: man will reap what he sows
(GAL 6:7-8)
23. Be not partakers with sinners (EPH 5:7)
24. Be not unwise about God's will (EPH 5:17)
25. Be not drunk with wine (EPH 5:18)
26. Be not weary in well doing (2.THESS 3:13)
27. Be not ashamed of God (2.TIM 1:8)
28. Be not slothful (HEB 6:12)
29. Be not forgetful of strangers (HEB 13:2)
30. Be not carried about with different strange
doctrines (HEB 13:9)

Fourteen "Beware's":
1. Beware of false prophets (MATT 7:15)
2. Beware of people (MATT 10:17)
3. Beware of leaven (doctrine) of Pharisees
(MATT 16:6-12)

4. Beware of leaven (doctrine) of Herod
(MK 8:15)
5. Beware of hypocrisy (LK 12:1)
6. Beware of covetousness (LK 12:15)
7. Beware of scribes (MK 12:38; LK 20:46)
8. Beware of lest you despise God and perish
(ACTS 13:40-41)
9. Beware of dogs (false teachers, PHIL 3:2;
ISA 56:10)
10. Beware of evil workers (PHIL 3:2)
11. Beware of the concision (Jews, PHIL 3:2)
12. Beware of being spoiled through philosophy
(COL 2:8)
13. Beware of being spoiled through vain deceit
(COL 2:8)
14. Beware of backsliding (2.PET 3:17)
Four things to believe:
1. The gospel (MK 1:15)
2. God's existence (HEB 11:6)
3. On Jesus Christ (1.JN 3:23)
4. God rewards diligent seeking (HEB 11:6)

One thing not to believe:
1. Believe not every spirit (1.JN 4:1)

Two classes to bless:
1. Those who curse you (MATT 5:44; LK 6:28)
2. Persecutors (ROM 12:14)

Three things to cast out or away:
1. The beam out of own eyes
(MATT 7:5; LK 6:42)
2. Devils (MATT 10:8)
3. All your cares upon God (1.PET 5:7)

Two classes to comfort:
1. One another-fellow Christians
(1.THESS 4:18; 1.THESS 5:11)
2. The feeble-minded (1.THESS 5:14)

Six classes to honour:
1. Fathers (MATT 19:19; MK 10:19; LK 18:20;
EPH 6:2)
2. Mothers (MATT 19:19; MK 10:19; LK 18:20;
EPH 6:2)
3. Others (ROM 12:10)
4. Widows indeed (1.TIM 5:3)
5. All people (1.PET 2:17)
6. Kings - rulers (1.PET 2:17)

Five things to charge:
1. Men to be blameless (1.TIM 5:7)
2. The rich to be humble (1.TIM 6:17)
3. The rich to trust in God (1.TIM 6:17)
4. The rich to do good works (1.TIM 6:18)
5. The rich to lay hold on eternal life (1.TIM 6:19)

Five things to consider:
1. The ravens (LK 12:24)
2. The lilies (LK 12:27-28)
3. Truth (2.TIM 2:7)
4. That you are capable of falling (GAL 6:1)
5. Christ (HEB 3:1; HEB 12:3)

Three things to continue in:
1. Love (JN 15:9)
2. Prayer (ROM 12:12; COL 4:2)
3. Truth (2.TIM 3:14)

-And on we can go-
Shalom
J.

 

[Lizbeth]

You are fully deceived. Christ in you is NOT the foundation. Christ is the foundation. Your foundation is YOU.

1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

You are not mentioned here.

You think that saying that Jesus Christ is the foundation is taking something away from YOU. And you are right. You are championing yourself.

Christ is Christ. There is only one Christ, whether in our jars of clay or in heaven or anywhere. You're compartmentalizing again (aka carnal mind).

 

[ChristisGod]

I find it dishonest that people will claim everything that Paul says of himself...like being crucified, or seated in heavenly places...and all the benefits. But when it comes to having faith like Paul...and suffering the consequence as well as experiencing the benefits...well that's just for him. Do we realize that it was the very faith of Paul that made those things we are quick to claim for ourselves possible?

Where is the faith? Where is the honesty?

Tell us how you have suffered physically like Paul did for Christ, the beatings, the floggings etc......

 

[ChristisGod]

Christ is Christ. There is only one Christ, whether in our jars of clay or in heaven or anywhere. You're compartmentalizing again (aka carnal mind).

ditto

 

[ChristisGod]

The source for post 190 came from here in case anyone wants to know. There are a 1000 of them on the primary sources list.

https://www.abc.net.au/reslib/201407/r1308729_17984331.pdf

 

[Johann]

You are fully deceived. Christ in you is NOT the foundation. Christ is the foundation. Your foundation is YOU.

1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

You are not mentioned here.

You think that saying that Jesus Christ is the foundation is taking something away from YOU. And you are right. You are championing yourself.

1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1Co 1:11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Ce, that there are contentions among you.
1Co 1:12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1Co 1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

1Co_4:17 For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.

Gal_6:12 As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.

Eph_1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

Php_1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Php_1:8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ.

Php_1:26 That your rejoicing may be more abundant in Jesus Christ for me by my coming to you again.

Php_1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

Php_1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Php_2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Php_4:21 Salute every saint in Christ Jesus. The brethren which are with me greet you.

Col_1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Col_1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

Col_1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Col_2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

Col_3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

Col_4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ, saluteth you, always labouring fervently for you in prayers, that ye may stand perfect and complete in all the will of God.

1Th_1:1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Th_3:2 And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:

1Th_5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

2Th_1:12 That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2Th_3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

Phm_1:6 That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.

Heb_13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

1Pe_3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

1Pe_5:14 Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.

2Pe_1:8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2Jn_1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

 

[Behold]

What if he was being miraculously guided and empowered by God to do what is humanly impossible? How do you "apply" that to your life?

LIke this...

"I can do all things through Christ, which strengthens me"

"Christ always Gives me, the Victory".

"""I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.""""

 

[ChristisGod]

LIke this...

"I can do all things through Christ, which strengthens me"

"Christ always Gives me, the Victory".

"""I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.""""

And all of Gods children said: AMEN !!!!

For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us." 2 Corinthians 1:20.

 

[Episkopos]

Christ is Christ. There is only one Christ, whether in our jars of clay or in heaven or anywhere. You're compartmentalizing again (aka carnal mind).

The opposite is true. You are not factoring in the power of deception by the flesh...and self-interest. I know you like to piggy-back on my statements...but you are doing this to continue in your deception.

Why does a person NOT factor in the carnal mind and the self-interest it engenders? Because it IS the carnal mind at work.

Any non-indoctrinated person would see the vast difference between building on something in you...and something that is in Christ.

You are assuming that having a template of Christ...to be added to with whatever materials you deem to be appropriate...is the same thing as going to where Christ IS and building in the heavenly realm.

Obviously you see abiding in Christ to be where HE IS as something that happens when you "go to heaven." (I'm using religious speak here for your understanding)

Read John 14...and the abodes that Jesus says...that where I am, you may be also" Most non-spiritual believers see that as a future after-life abiding...the heavenly mansions and such.

And yet John 15, using the very same word for abiding is understood to mean right now. Where are we to abide if we can only inhabit abiding places in some after life?

Abiding in Christ is through being translated into the higher walk in Zion WHERE Jesus is. That is NOT the same as trying to be more Christlike based on a sample of grace. Will you be now made perfect through your own understanding?

You are missing the scale...by a whole dimension. ...the kingdom dimension.

 

[Behold]

the higher walk in Zion WHERE Jesus is.

This bizarre phrase that you love to redundantly repost.... " the higher walk in Zion"...

Chapter and verse in a REAL Bible, please?

Take your time, as there are over 300 versions that dont have that one in it.. much less a real Bible.

Or, you could just post the Title of the commentary and the name of the WRITER who created that strange phrase, so that we can actually see who you are teaching as your theology.
I dont think you have the courage to post that information.. Episkopos., but, maybe you can prove that you do.....

 

[Lizbeth]

namely "heaven and hell." It is....."heaven and earth".... That is a biblical comparison.

Don't entirely disagree...the grave.....and what will happen to this earth in the end?....and what does destruction of the soul mean? No eternal life. It is clear in the bible that not all will inherit eternal life Epi. As much as we may wish otherwise. And in my human emotions I do often wish it. Except that our human emotions are not the measure of truth or what we are to live by. The bible says God will root out of His kingdom all the unbelieving and those who do wickedly. Death and hell - when it is finished it's purpose - will itself be destroyed out of His kingdom. Nothing will remain but what is heavenly, spiritual, eternal - Everything that can be shaken will be shaken until only what cannot be shaken will remain. No person can be eternal except that the eternal heavenly spiritual Christ Jesus be in them....hope of glory. (Think we may even be beginning to see the start of those shakings of this temporal planet.)

 

[Episkopos]

This bizarre phrase that you love to post....

Chapter and verse in a Bible, please?

Take your time, as there are over 300 versions that dont have that one in it..

Or, you could just post the Title of the commentary and the writer who created that phrase, so that we can actually see who you are teaching as your theology.

LOL. You don't understand when someone actually experiences the walk in Christ...and can testify of it without parroting verses....you only understand other religiously indoctrinated chapter/verse posers.

You expose yourself... as having zero spiritual experience and understanding.