A Textual Challenge to the “Mary and Joseph Had Later Relations” Position

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beechan

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Completely made up, of course. If Mary was sinless, then that means that SHE needed to be birthed from a sinless vessel. Where does it end?

Completely made up, of course. And it makes Mary special among all humans. Nobody else experienced this or has since. That elevates Mary far above her actual status.

Mary needs salvation as we do too.

Let use an analogy.
A man walked into a dirty pit, turned muddy and dirty. Jesus pulled him out of the pit, clean it. He is saved.

A woman walking to the pit. God pulls her away from the pit. The woman is not muddy or dirty because she has been saved before she even falls.

Are we not all sinned, (muddy and dirty) and saved by Jesus?
Only Mary is saved earlier and in anticipation of the fall.

In this sense, Mary is special among all humans. You are right!
 

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Mary needs salvation as we do too.

Why does Mary need salvation? Salvation is necessary for you and me because you and me sin. The SIN creates the conditions that make salvation necessary. If a person doesn't sin, then they don't need to be saved.

Let use an analogy.
A man walked into a dirty pit, turned muddy and dirty. Jesus pulled him out of the pit, clean it. He is saved.

A woman walking to the pit. God pulls her away from the pit. The woman is not muddy or dirty because she has been saved before she even falls.

Are we not all sinned, (muddy and dirty) and saved by Jesus?
Only Mary is saved earlier and in anticipation of the fall.

In this sense, Mary is special among all humans. You are right!

Are you suggesting that Mary lived her whole life sinless, and that God assumed her into heaven because at that point, late in life, she was ABOUT to sin? That's what you're saying?

Romans 3:23 - "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Jesus being an obvious exception because He was, in fact, God. If Mary was an exception to this, that either (a) makes Romans 3:23 untrue, or (b) makes Mary the exception because she's, in fact, divine.

Which is it?